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After 'Brexit' Vote, Labour Leader Faces Open Revolt Inside His Party


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#1 Helice

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Posted 26 June 2016 - 01:30 PM

The U.K.'s dramatic decision to leave the European Union has set off a mutiny within the opposition party against leader Jeremy Corbyn. At least nine ministers have resigned from the shadow cabinet.


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#2 jackdiddley

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:50 AM

One newspaper has the number at 39 members of Corbyn's shadow cabinet has resigned. Others have it at even more.

There is a major disconnect between the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Labour Party as a whole. Corbyn still has massive support at grassroot level, but the MPs have totally lost faith. There is also another disconnect either between the PLP and reality or between the grassroots level Labour Party and reality.

I fear it may be the latter.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:36 AM

 

The U.K.'s dramatic decision to leave the European Union has set off a mutiny within the opposition party against leader Jeremy Corbyn. At least nine ministers have resigned from the shadow cabinet.


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Brussels and Class Warfare

 

Silly Labourites.

 

This is a bunch of Look, We're Lefties who have utterly forgotten the term Class Warfare.

 

Großdeutschlandministeriumoberwachtmeisterin Merkel dumped 800,000 new people into the German economy. Just under 600,000 of them are healthy adults who now compete for jobs with the prior labor force. 

 

A hint: that's Class Warfare on a grand scale.

 

The United States saw similar labor import processes from the latter decades of the 19th Century through until the Great Depression. Coal, steel, automobile making -- the big capitalists all brought in labor from such as Poland, Italy, Ireland to beat back labor unions' demands.

 

It's bad enough that China renditioned 380,000,000 rural adults forcing them away from home and hearth to slave for $1.50/hour at the export platforms. Along with poisoning air, earth and water with cheap factories, this mass relocation left the rural children of these families to be raised by the grandparents. Indeed, everything has "Made in China" on it -- eliminating manufacturing sectors in countries all over the planet.

 

Freemen were unable to compete with slave labor as far back as Rome in the Augustine period. That's not going to change. What do you think you can manufacture that competes with $1.50 labor living in dormitories and getting no long term benefits ???

 

And on top of that disaster, GDMOWM Merkel and the Brussels EU bureaucracy now have institutionalized direct infusions of new labor resources -- no "nationalist" "racist" "classist" local government limits allowed.

 

What did Brussels do wrong ???

 

That question's not getting discussion in the Big Capitalist owned media. No discussion at all. Same as you never hear "class warfare."

 

"Who Rules the World ?" from Noam Chomsky -- summarizes today's political cross section. Who gets to kill whom with impunity provides strong clues as to the answer list.

 

Who gets to drive whom out of their homes by the millions works good too. As with who's allowed to succeed.

 

Syria

 

Syria adopted a Westernized economy, encouraged manufacture, imported agricultural techniques and replaced inefficient traditional methods across the board. All secular. All with strong modern education for males and females. Over 20 years the gross domestic product per capita rose by a ratio of more than 3:1.  Up to better than $5,500 per capita. Syrians followed Ba'athist economic principals to advance to a prosperity that exceeded much of Eastern Europe and such as the weaker rural areas of Spain and Italy.

 

But Syria wasn't allowed to do that. Syria was allied with Russia, not NATO. Syria was also secular, not religious.

 

Can't have that. When a big drought came along in 2009-2012 the resulting dislocations were exploited to generate violent revolution, vehicle bombings, destruction of critical agricultural resources that supported the country's systems for getting protein-rich food.

 

Saudi money came in supporting destruction via Muslim Brotherhood, Nusrah / Al Qaeda, and then ISIS / DAESH. There's a case to be made that Syria has been punished mainly for its economic success.

 

The Assad regime had done very well indeed, but they didn't have permission. And the Assads and other Ba'athists want nothing to do with Wahhabi spiritualist nonsense, hearing voices of The Martyrs and such. The Ba'athists good deeds were repaid in Syria with the fanatics' barbarity, crushing the whole country.



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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:11 AM

While I enjoy and respect Chomsky immensely, I think he's a bit off in blaming the US for all the worlds woe's. It's not the US elite that's running the show anymore. It's a global elite. 

 

The US is just the global elite's junkyard dog. 



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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:29 PM

Today, Jeremy Corbyn faced a vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party. The result:

 

Confidence: 40

No Confidence: 172

 

This means, I think, that Corbyn will now face a leadership contest. The problem with that is, should his name get on the ballot paper again, he is pretty much guaranteed to win because of his support at grassroot level.

 

There are thoughts among Labour camps that if Corbyn is still leader, and the new leader of the Conservative Party calls a snap election, that Labour could be almost wiped out. Not good for the country.



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Posted 02 July 2016 - 09:55 PM

Today, Jeremy Corbyn faced a vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party. ....

 

There are thoughts among Labour camps that if Corbyn is still leader, and the new leader of the Conservative Party calls a snap election, that Labour could be almost wiped out. Not good for the country.

 

The Conservatives called this Brexit election. So of course Labour will be blamed for the result.

 

And Corbyn has to be a weakie while Cameron just ran into a spot of bad luck.

 

Propaganda ????? A cover for Cameron's idiocies in this matter?

 

D'oh.

 

P.S. What did Brussels do that was so wrong that Brexit took the election despite the drum beats of economic terrorism?



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Posted 03 July 2016 - 12:21 PM

David Cameron was out proactively campaigning for Remain. Jeremy Corbyn did NOTHING. David Cameron resigned following this defeat. Jeremy Corbyn, despite doing nothing, is clinging on despite his abysmal performance. Some of the strong Leave areas are hardcore Labour strongholds.

This isn't propaganda to cover Cameron (again, he's already gone). This is a Labour Party in disarray and a leadership who has completely lost his MPs.

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 12:50 PM

Is there any chance of a repeal, Jack, or is the referendum truly final?



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Posted 03 July 2016 - 01:59 PM

The referendum was advisory, so Parliament can ignore the result of they wish. Even though I voted Remain, I have grave concerns about ignoring the result of a democratic vote because I don't like the result. I don't like where that road leads.

I think the result will stick. I think whoever wins the Conservative leadership battle will invoke Article 50 and things will start. And I think that will happen relatively quickly.

I also think a lot of people will campaign against it right up until the moment it happens.

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:55 PM

David Cameron was out proactively campaigning for Remain. Jeremy Corbyn did NOTHING. David Cameron resigned following this defeat. Jeremy Corbyn, despite doing nothing, is clinging on despite his abysmal performance. Some of the strong Leave areas are hardcore Labour strongholds.

This isn't propaganda to cover Cameron (again, he's already gone). This is a Labour Party in disarray and a leadership who has completely lost his MPs.

 

LEAVE forces portrayed Brussels as one large agency for big banks and the multinationals. A collection of 30,000 mostlyMerkels at all the levels of that hierarchy.

 

Failing votes before, again and again, this anti-democractic structure was imposed by treaty.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 01:18 AM

mmoghand. There are many successful Socialist parties in Europe. Labour woul be better to stick with them. At least Labor did well in the Australian elections.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 05:13 PM

Yo, England, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but America had one of the best Brexits of all time!

Happy Fourth of July, y'all.

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 10:30 AM

India has been joking that the best brexit happened in 1947 when England exited India and took all of their "armed refugees" with them.



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Posted 13 July 2016 - 09:03 PM

Australia might need a Brexits from England.





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