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Russia Ships in to Syria Matching Pro-ISIS Arms & Mercs

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#61 mmoghand

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Posted 14 May 2016 - 07:16 AM

Turkey invades Syria.

 

It's not a big invasion, The drones show about 100 Special Forces troops with vehicles after they crossed over at Bab al-Hawa. They're not being shy about being Turkish.

 

Recovering weapons that the Erdogan government had sent to a Nusrah Front affiliate in Irbil province seems to be the mission. The big embarrassment here for Turkey is that those weapons carry Made In U.S. A. labels.

 

Bad enough that McCain and Clinton called to arm these groups in 2012, what you have with Erdogan is support for public allies of Islamic State in 2015 and 2016. So far no shoot outs. Kurds at Bab al-Hawa waved them through.

 

Also no missile strikes on their convoy. Russia had that option right off, including with the drones doing the tracking function.

 

Patience, kiddo. Patience. And as a guess the Turkish army has way better relations with the Russians than either of them have with the Erdogan dictatorship.


Edited by mmoghand, 14 May 2016 - 07:19 AM.


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Posted 16 May 2016 - 08:22 PM

mmoghand, Reagan And Bush made many mistakes in the Middle East. But I afarid obama action in pulling out has not improve things. IN the end only the partipation in the Middle East can solve the problem. I am not sure Turkey or Russia will do any better.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 10:52 AM

Along with analysis all around that the Turkish "coup" is a fake, the big news has USA adopting Russia's basic strategy in Syria.

 

No credible assassination attempt in Turkey. No connection to the top generals. No overall plan. A half-dozen army units sent out to block bridges and take over television, but nothing consequential.

 

Erdogan then had 2,800 people arrested. That went off like it had been staged ahead of time.

 

Back to Syria....

 

From MOSCOW last Friday -- John Kerry U.S. Secretary of State said on July 15 that Russia and the U.S. had agreed to cooperate in Syria against the Al-Qaeda-linked Nusra Front

 

From CNN: Kerry says the cooperation was intended to "restore the cessation of hostilities, significantly reduce the violence and help create the space for a genuine and credible political transition." Kerry appeared alongside his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow.

 

Kerry did not give any details as to what exactly had been agreed upon. . The decision to have greater military cooperation with Russia is causing divisions within the US government, with the Pentagon challenging the view that Russia could be trusted to fulfill its part of any agreement.

 

Kerry's statement appeared to reflect awareness of this skepticism as he said: "I want to emphasize, though, they are not based on trust. They define specific, sequential responsibilities all parties to the conflict must assume with the intent of stopping all together the indiscriminate bombing of the Assad regime and stepping up our efforts against al Nusra."

 

al Nusra = Al Qaeda.

 

Same as "moderate rebel" = Muslim Brotherhood in Syria.

 

Between Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and the rest of GCC this is a sad day. Their commitments to Salafism and hating on the Shiite flavor of Islam take big hits.

 

"Can't we just get along" is never popular in the MENA dictatorships. Gotta have enemies to have excuses to go on forever with dictatorship.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 08:25 PM

If the Tourkist coup is a fake to give more power to the President, why did they attack Parliament House.

Turkey is divided, The Army wants control but parts of the Army is secular while another part wants to make  dea with Muslim group.

While they re divided Is will grow in stength..



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Posted 05 August 2016 - 05:48 PM

Obama set about objecting to Syrian Army successes at Aleppo against groups linked to Muslim Brotherhood and Nusrah. Russian artillery and aerial support is key to Syrian Army completing the surround phase, the first step for retaking Aleppo. Reportedly:

 

“(Obama says that he is) not confident that we can trust the Russians and Vladimir Putin, which is why we have to test whether or not we can get an actual cessation of hostilities.” Russia might not be able to help end the violence, “either because they don’t want to, or because they don’t have sufficient influence over Assad."

 

“That’s what we’re going to test,” Obama said, “We go into this without any blinders on. We're very clear that Russia has been willing to support a murderous regime and an individual, in Assad, who has destroyed his country just to cling on to power."

The Saudi's propaganda unit -- a.k.a., the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights -- reports at least 6,000 people have been killed or wounded in the past 80 days at Aleppo.

 

It's the Saudi client groups -- Nusrah and fIslamic State -- that made this war happen and continue to hold civilians inside kill zone cities.

 

Russia says there are four gates out of Aleppo. Three for civilians. One for rebel fighters to surrender their guns and get an amnesty from the Assad government. How bloodthirsty is that ???

 

Surround-and-annihilate is Gen. Suleimani's original grand strategy. And the General has engineered thorough annihilation phases at a dozen sites, mostly in Iraq.

 

In Syria, Bashar al-Assad has the last say in what happens. Compare/contrast the Four Gate system at Aleppo with the wipe-out battle at Fallujah, Iraq, and with the slaughter looming at Mosul.

 

No word on the Four Gates from Obama. There's going on 300,000 civilians left in Aleppo. They know about the Four Gates.



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 09:08 PM

Open up Gates does not justify bombing of civilins . Some people can not escape under any gate.



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Posted 17 September 2016 - 03:49 PM

Russia looks to be getting its way insisting that the anti-government forces in play are wholly led by ISIS and Nusrah (Al Qaeda.) Free Syrian Army is Brotherhood, but they're all but out of action. Their FSA uniforms are being used by ISIS in the northcentral sector.

 

At the United Nations for the Security Council the Russians have this:

 

"We believe we cannot ask [the Security Council] to support a document that they haven't seen." The US and Russian envoys were to present to the Council details of the agreement reached on September 9 that calls for a ceasefire, the delivery of aid and joint targeting of Islamist rebels in Syria.

 

Russia, Syria's main ally, had been pushing for a resolution to endorse the agreement reached after months of US-Russian negotiations.

 

The United States has been reluctant to release the details of the agreement, citing security concerns for some US-backed groups fighting in Syria.

 

And that the US has changed sides. Those "US-backed groups" go to FSA/Brotherhood. Intel there has proved decisive. US arms go to ISIS or Nusrah or high bidder.

 

So what we've got going forward is Russian/US/Syrian airstrikes supporting Persian-led combined arms ground forces. All working their tails off to eliminate pro-Salafi, pro-sharia Jihadis.

 

The fight at Aleppo will be finished by mid-winter. Mosul in Iraq is under siege with some part of 500,000 civilians caught inside the line. Aleppo and Mosul end up destroyed which is unfortunate. On the positive side this "Islamic State" will be wrecked as well. They are losing fighters and logistical supporters by the thousands a month -- above 5% of their whole core group. Their one and only success format is suicide bombing where 2016 has seen more than 900 explosions.

 

Salafism has always been something of a death cult. The ISIS offshoot changed the form, just superficially.


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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:03 PM

I agree the situation is messy. The bombing Of Syrian soldiers is an example of what can go wrong.



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 11:53 AM

Russia Adopts Israeli Tactics -- bombs Brotherhood command bunker under hospital

 

Brotherhood is pretty much the same in Syria as in Egypt plus its HAMAS offshoot. Their tactics in Syria borrow what they can from the HAMAS Gaza experience.

 

According to official IDF sources HAMAS uses hospitals and schools repeatedly to store war materials and set up their command centers. One example was the Al-Wafa rehabilitation hospital that IDF took out in July, 2014. Brotherhood/HAMAS tactics set things up.

 

...the medical facility was being used as a Hamas command center and utilized repeatedly by Islamist gunmen to launch attacks on Israeli forces. It said it had issued repeated warnings to the hospital authorities, told civilians to vacate the premises, and warned the gunmen to stop abusing the medical facility.

 

It later issued a video showing gunfire from the premises, and featuring a recording of phone calls from the IDF to the hospital in which the IDF was assured that the hospital was locked and there were no patients inside. The clip also showed a Hamas tunnel opening adjacent to the hospital.

 

“Hamas terrorists have been intentionally abusing the hospital and other international protected symbols to indiscriminately attack Israel and its civilians,” said IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner.

 

Same thing happened at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City.

 

William Booth of the Washington Post wrote that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.” Back in 2006, PBS even aired a documentary showing how gunmen roam the halls of the hospital, intimidate the staff, and deny them access to protected locations within the building—where the camera crew was obviously prohibited from filming. Yet the confirmation that Hamas is using Gaza City’s biggest hospital as its de facto headquarters was made in the last sentence of the eighth paragraph of Booth’s story....

 

Journalists who report use of hospitals for military purposes are routinely threatened.

 

Now Russia uses advanced electronics and drone imaging to identify "Rebel" / Brotherhood assets. Busting up these assets is the only way to end the war. Estimates on the ground go to a 3- to 6-month time horizon for stamping out the "Rebel" / Brotherhood armed force at Aleppo. After 5 years of broad civilian casualties and such as the recent "Rebel" attack on Syrian Red Crescent trucks, seeing the Syrian government and allies win out in western and central Syria is an improvement.

 

Of course when Israel does this kind of response, no problem. Russia does it and it's the worst war crime since Pol Pot ran Cambodia.

 

O.K., fine.



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Posted 29 October 2016 - 09:25 PM

Russia Ships In with seven warships crossing the Mediterranean Sea. The big news is the aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetzov.

 

The siege at Aleppo promises an end to the war in western Syria, but that has to be won. Transferring the Kuznetzov's planes to the standard airfield will be first priority. Missiles can be fired as easily from ships at sea -- giving less warning.

 

All out attack with drone-assisted bombing and missile strikes can now be carried out on 24-hour schedules. These new resources out of Russia make that possible. This makes sense in part because the al-Qaeda / Nusrah officers running the Aleppo defense are largely untrained at conventional warfare. The al-Q and Brotherhood leaders don't know jack about siege defense.

 

Pressure them with a 5-day assault and there's no way they won't crack. That's a couple days past what defenders can take for loss of sleep. Making the arrangements for attackers is part of why Qassem Suleimani has been successful again and again. He has been efficient. But he's over a Mosul, so his staff will have to be split to assure that his system gets applied both places simultaneously.



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Posted 31 October 2016 - 07:17 PM

mmoghand  It is true when Russia bombs hospital it get lame. As you said Isael and other countries don't get blame. It is wrong to bomb any hospital even if enemy troops are present.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:54 PM

mmoghand, Reagan And Bush made many mistakes in the Middle East. But I afraid Obama's action in pulling out has not improve things. IN the end only the partipation in the Middle East can solve the problem. I am not sure Turkey or Russia will do any better.

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It is true when Russia bombs hospital it get lame. As you said Isael and other countries don't get blame. It is wrong to bomb any hospital even if enemy troops are present......

 

 

 

Hospitals get hit because the Jihadis and HAMAS use the hospitals for their armories, plus using the grounds to launch missiles. You think either the Israelis or the Russians or Syrians are going to sit back on that?

 

Modern drones ice the identifications.

 

"It's a hospital" only goes so far. Medecins sans Frontieres got that point years ago.

 

The HAMAS setup at Shifa was a central command operation. Ka-boom.

 

Best thing now is ending the Aleppo fight ASAP. All out assault. Annihilation. Followed by getting water works back 100% and inviting refugees back home before hard winter sets in.

 

Syria does have a real winter. Freezes at night. Gets warm in May. That could work well enough. The rebuild will take 20 years.



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Posted 26 December 2016 - 01:19 PM

Russia took quite a hit with the TU-154 going down with 92 aboard. Here's one of the dancers, Lilia Pyryeva.

 

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One lovely girl such as Lilia does more for the world than a hundred thousand Jihadi freaks.

 

Btw: anyone reminded of Vesna Vulovic ??? Serbian stewardess who survived a 33,000-foot fall in 1972 when her plane was bombed. Came down inside part of the fuselage and hit deep snow on an angle. A miracle.

 

But no miracle for Lilia. Her images will go in every paper and magazine, appear on television. Then there will be revenge. Of course there will be revenge, mostly on Syrians and the foreign mercenaries, quite apart from the Russian government denying that this knock-down was terrorism.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:30 PM

It I sad that so many Russian dancers and singers died in the air clash. The cause is unknown but it might have something to do with old planes the Russians used.





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