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Russia Ships in to Syria Matching Pro-ISIS Arms & Mercs

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#1 mmoghand

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 08:13 AM

The New York Times caught up with these events with a Saturday editorial (September 12th 2015) titled "Russia's Risky Moves in Syria."  Their Editorial Board seems to believe that this is a new policy. They also reflect the basic message of American propaganda:

 

"The United States is carrying out airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State, which is trying to establish a caliphate in Syria and Iraq, as well as struggling to train and arm moderate opposition groups that could secure territory taken from the extremists."

 

In fact the United States and its allies only carry out airstrikes in the eastern half of Syria and in Iraq.

 

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The Islamist groups have a free run in western Syria. U.S. policy has not changed since May. Effectively the U.S. is allied with ISIS, Nusrah Front (aka Al Qaeda), and Muslim Brotherhood against the Ba'athist secular government of Syria.

 

The Sa'uds just got caught paying out a $700,000,000 bribe to one political party in Malaysia. That is hardly a major world power. You can only imagine how much money they throw around in the United States. Apparently enough to get free passes for the Sa'ud's allies in western Syria.

 

Turkey came in to the air war. They attacked Kurds, not the Islamists. The Turkish government is more Islamist than not. So don't expect much there -- they are also anti-Ba'athist and extremely anti-secular.

 

Russia started shipping in heavy guns, armored vehicles, AKs and ammo years ago. And that's using ships. It's not plane loads, it's shiploads.

 

Their guys have fought on the front lines in northern Syria for years. What, NY Times is new to YouTube? Posted selfies from Syria surprises anyone?

 

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The armor is Russian and so is the crew. There's more of that coming.

 

The Russians there are volunteers. Same as American Special Forces who embed with the various NGOs. And the Russians go in force. So far nobody's beheaded there.

 

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The new set up at Latakia will support SU-25 ground support and heavy helicopters capable of deterring Israeli use of U.S. Apache helicopters against anti-ISIS targets. Kamov Ka-28 "Helix" is in use all over, including India and South Korea. Drop a hundred KA-28s into western Syria and ISIS-Nusrah-MuBro use of heavy trucks for resupply can be stopped cold.

 

Foreign mercs continue to flow into Syria. More than half the ISIS fighters.

 

What we are seeing in Syria is adoption of Russian tactics from Chechnya. Nasty but necessary to avoid Islamist conquest. It was Russians who invented the helicopter dropped thermobaric bomb, not Syrians. The "barrel bomb." Expect to see more of that.

 

Meanwhile, the United States ships in heavy guns and millions of rounds of ammunition to Lebanon.

 

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Those are 155mm howitzers. Old style U.s. artillery on the way to southeast Lebanon for a battle with Nusrah Front. That went well. For once the U.S. put its resources to the ground war against ISIS.

 

The pics that did not make it to social media involve Iranian trainers taking Lebanese army personnel through using GPS-based sighting gear to zero in these big guns. We also see these M-198s in use in Iraq for the sieges at Tikrit and the Little Zeb basin. If they can do the set ups, the same type of guns will be preferred for the final stages of the sieges underway at Ramadi and Fallujah.

 

For some reason Persian artillerymen dearly love these guns. It's a Quds Force thing. Maybe because they dig in well and then it's relatively easy to walk a grid. A very old design. Nothing was sacrificed with the M-198s trying to get light -- heavy is good.

 

The Russians do make a 155mm shell that goes through these things. Too bad there weren't a thousand extra troops, APCs, chops for close air support, and a half dozen M-198s on hand to defend Palmyra. ISIS took the town with 500 fighters.

 

The alternatives in Syria are clear: wipe out ISIS attack groups or give up.

 

Putin and these Russian troops identify the Islamists as existential enemies.

 



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Posted 12 September 2015 - 08:22 AM

P.S. The former "Moderate Opposition" in Syria has been renamed. It is now called "Secular Nationalists."

 

That was Mike Morrell doing the CIA Rag on the CBS morning show during this last week. It's still imaginary. A propaganda fantasy.



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Posted 12 September 2015 - 07:32 PM

Mmoghand. While I appreciate the facts you give statements like

 

P.S. The former "Moderate Opposition" in Syria has been renamed. It is now called "Secular Nationalists."

 

That was Mike Morrell doing the CIA Rag on the CBS morning show during this last week. It's still imaginary. A propaganda fantasy.

Are more than facts. Also to say the USA is effectively allied with ISS does  not give a complete picture. The USA and allies want to get rid of the Assad  regime in Syria like ISS that all they have in common.

The present operation in Syria is to defend Iraq from ISS even when they launch in Syria. It does not have the approval of the government of Syria but is not attacking these forces yet,

To say the only solution is wipe out ISIS or give up is absurd. The USA forces can not wipe out ISIS but might defeat them military. In the end all sides will have to give up the military operation and reach a peace settlement.



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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:18 AM

 

The present operation in Syria is to defend Iraq from ISS even when they launch in Syria. It does not have the approval of the government of Syria but is not attacking these forces yet,

To say the only solution is wipe out ISIS or give up is absurd. The USA forces can not wipe out ISIS but might defeat them military. In the end all sides will have to give up the military operation and reach a peace settlement.

 

 

The United States commitment is a festering little pimple on the war butt of Syria. A full show, it's not. Where CENTCOM dropped 800 airstrikes a day on Saddam Hussein in 2003 this nonsense is dropping 20 airstrikes a day. A "pimple." And none of it is coming down where it is needed in western Syria.

 

General Suleimani got it right in 2012 when he set up the fight in SW Syria as a war of annihilation. Pushing Islamist field troops around does nothing. The only victory is where they are surrounded and destroyed. That is the basic tactic that works.

 

Now the Russians are coming in. And this is not Afghanistan in 1979 though the Islamist forces in Syria and Afghanistan are similar. This time the Syrian people are used to having colleges and seeing women go to school. The country has normal international law based on the UDHR, not Sharia. You can buy western newspapers and magazines, no problem.

 

The Syrians are more Mediterranean people than anything to do with desert Bedouins like the Sa'uds. The Syrian Sunnis are not interested in being ruled out of Saudi Arabia. No way.

 

America went in on the wrong side in Afghanistan. That should be obvious by now to everyone. We enabled Taliban victory which led to destruction of the school system and regional health care system. Normal courts and law went back to rule by mullahs under Sharia. Public executions became weekly shows. And in Syria? We're allied again with Saudi Arabia and the GCC. That's ISIS, al-Q, Muslim Brotherhood. (We take bribes. Lots of bribes.) Twenty air strikes for all of Syria and Iraq are next to doing nothing, a show with no content.



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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:55 PM

Mmoghand , I agre that tHe USA and its allies coomtment is a festering pimple on the war butt of Syria. It is not big enough to make any real difference to Syria. Even training Syrian troops has not work with the first contingent dead or missing. It is done for domestic politics. If is the only thing keeping our Prime miniser in power.

It is doubtful Russian would do any better giving its record in the first Afghanistan war. It may be better for the super powers to change tactics. All that has resulted is more Syrian refugees flooding into Europe and countries like The USA and Australia forced to take more refugees from he camps.

 

If Syrians are so educated whydo the let this situation developed. No Middle East Muslim country can not survive if they do not give equal treatement to both Sunies and Shites.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:56 AM

Green Machine

It's not easy being part of the Sa'ud purchased, pro-ISIS Green Machine.

Pretending to have imaginary friends in Syria is the least of it. "Secular Nationalists." "Moderate Rebels." And of course the people actually fighting ISIS inside Syria haver to be called the Bad Guys. Doesn't matter who they are, the same spew is thrown at every group that takes up arms against the Sa'ud proxies.

The big propaganda theme for Green Machine runs to blaming the previously ordinary Ba'athist government for the violence. The deaths of 500,000 Syrians in ISIS areas are ignored. The reason for that, mirrored in the Judith Miller Most Honored news columns: "Fewer deaths have been reported in ISIS-controlled areas, where access to information is especially limited."

Covering up ISIS slaughters has been the # 1 order of the day for Green Machine since 2011. Meanwhile areas attacked by ISIS have emptied into Turkey, Europe, anywhere but Syria. We have camps of Syrians in Kurdistan, which is kind of a hoot considering where things were prior to "The Surge" where the Americans pushed AQI into Syria..

Vladimir V. Putin

He's not a part of Green Machine. In fact together with General Suleimani, Putin is doing his best to beat back ISIS and their allies in Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

Russia has not had as many troops in there as Iran. Tehran let slip that they committed two battalions of Quds Force including commandos back when Suleimani organized the government side of the Battle of Qusayr in 2012. That's 6,000 trained soldiers. But what is happening now looks like a full alliance between Russia and Iran to beat back ISIS.

More Russians are arriving by the day at Latakia. The big Antonov AN-124 "Ruslan" transports are coming down through Iran and Kurdistan across Syria to this newly expanded base. They carry attack helicopters and a combination of APCs and mobile artillery. You have to expect Sukhoi SU-25 "flying tank" close air support (CAS) to arrive early on. The Russians are willing to take casualties, as are the Iranians, where airstrikes can break up major actions from ISIS Attack Groups. Iran has been burying SU-25 pilots since the first week of the first defense of the hospitals and core assets at Tikrit in July, 2014.

For Russia as with Iran, fighting off Sunni conquest goes back more than a millennium. Every school child learns about the Golden Horde, caliphates and the main historical battles. The Communist Party, bless its dark little soul, allies with nationalists to press for escalation of anti-Islamist efforts to a broad war footing. Both Bashar al Assad and General Suleimani get positive coverage in party and media programming.

United Nations General Assembly

Putin is coming to the United Nations on September 28th to address a meeting of more than a hundred heads of state. The occasion is the 70th anniversary of the founding of the United Nations.

In a world where the United States calls Iran the "leading state sponsor of terrorism" and the Persians routinely sing of America as "the Great Satan," Putin is not likely to make things any worse. What he wants (as reported in The Moscow Times) is recognition that the Assad regime and its allies are the one practical alternative to seeing ISIS take over Syria. That should be an obvious point. Putin can also outline a threat that an ISIS controlled Syria would be able to plant new affiliates all over the map, groups such as Boko Haram in Africa.

We'll see how the member states respond to Putin's call for a United Nations war against ISIS. He's not talking only about Syria. He says in Russia that all of these Islamist movements are part of one operation.

Putin could get support. As a guess as many as fifty countries are at risk from their own Islamist guerrilla actions. In addition to that a score of the Muslim countries have gone on for decades avoiding birth control. Their populations swell steadily and the young men lack useful work. Resources are limited. Where the young men fall in with ISIS or AQ they cause nothing but trouble.

GTA & GOT

ISIS and Al Qaeda recruit similar to video games -- Grand Theft Auto comes to mind, the stuff of rape and pillage.

 

Who knew GTA is Allah's Work ???

Add dragons and White Walkers, you've got GTA plus Game of Thrones. A new Red Wedding every week. Sounds to me like Iraq's Shia-slaughtering suicide bombings.

Who wouldn't follow Vladimir Putin where the alternative is Western governments laced with Sa'ud bribes? The Assad government, Hezbollah, Quds Force, "volunteers" out of Russia -- what kind of threat do they present to most countries compared to ISIS and Al Qaeda?


Edited by mmoghand, 15 September 2015 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 04:49 PM

Lebanon is the US's fifth largest recipient of military aide receiving upwards of $100 million worth of hardware annually. 

 

This is nothing new. 



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 07:39 PM

You put the Shite cause well but ignore the wider ratifications. All sides in this dispute are to blame. Russia and the USA should not be even there. The Sunnies and Shites have to learn to live in peace as they have done in the past.

 

 

Green Machine

It's not easy being part of the Sa'ud purchased, pro-ISIS Green Machine.

Pretending to have imaginary friends in Syria is the least of it. "Secular Nationalists." "Moderate Rebels." And of course the people actually fighting ISIS inside Syria haver to be called the Bad Guys. Doesn't matter who they are, the same spew is thrown at every group that takes up arms against the Sa'ud proxies.

The big propaganda theme for Green Machine runs to blaming the previously ordinary Ba'athist government for the violence. The deaths of 500,000 Syrians in ISIS areas are ignored. The reason for that, mirrored in the Judith Miller Most Honored news columns: "Fewer deaths have been reported in ISIS-controlled areas, where access to information is especially limited."

Covering up ISIS slaughters has been the # 1 order of the day for Green Machine since 2011. Meanwhile areas attacked by ISIS have emptied into Turkey, Europe, anywhere but Syria. We have camps of Syrians in Kurdistan, which is kind of a hoot considering where things were prior to "The Surge" where the Americans pushed AQI into Syria..

Vladimir V. Putin

He's not a part of Green Machine. In fact together with General Suleimani, Putin is doing his best to beat back ISIS and their allies in Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

Russia has not had as many troops in there as Iran. Tehran let slip that they committed two battalions of Quds Force including commandos back when Suleimani organized the government side of the Battle of Qusayr in 2012. That's 6,000 trained soldiers. But what is happening now looks like a full alliance between Russia and Iran to beat back ISIS.

More Russians are arriving by the day at Latakia. The big Antonov AN-124 "Ruslan" transports are coming down through Iran and Kurdistan across Syria to this newly expanded base. They carry attack helicopters and a combination of APCs and mobile artillery. You have to expect Sukhoi SU-25 "flying tank" close air support (CAS) to arrive early on. The Russians are willing to take casualties, as are the Iranians, where airstrikes can break up major actions from ISIS Attack Groups. Iran has been burying SU-25 pilots since the first week of the first defense of the hospitals and core assets at Tikrit in July, 2014.

For Russia as with Iran, fighting off Sunni conquest goes back more than a millennium. Every school child learns about the Golden Horde, caliphates and the main historical battles. The Communist Party, bless its dark little soul, allies with nationalists to press for escalation of anti-Islamist efforts to a broad war footing. Both Bashar al Assad and General Suleimani get positive coverage in party and media programming.

United Nations General Assembly

Putin is coming to the United Nations on September 28th to address a meeting of more than a hundred heads of state. The occasion is the 70th anniversary of the founding of the United Nations.

In a world where the United States calls Iran the "leading state sponsor of terrorism" and the Persians routinely sing of America as "the Great Satan," Putin is not likely to make things any worse. What he wants (as reported in The Moscow Times) is recognition that the Assad regime and its allies are the one practical alternative to seeing ISIS take over Syria. That should be an obvious point. Putin can also outline a threat that an ISIS controlled Syria would be able to plant new affiliates all over the map, groups such as Boko Haram in Africa.

We'll see how the member states respond to Putin's call for a United Nations war against ISIS. He's not talking only about Syria. He says in Russia that all of these Islamist movements are part of one operation.

Putin could get support. As a guess as many as fifty countries are at risk from their own Islamist guerrilla actions. In addition to that a score of the Muslim countries have gone on for decades avoiding birth control. Their populations swell steadily and the young men lack useful work. Resources are limited. Where the young men fall in with ISIS or AQ they cause nothing but trouble.

GTA & GOT

ISIS and Al Qaeda recruit similar to video games -- Grand Theft Auto comes to mind, the stuff of rape and pillage.

 

Who knew GTA is Allah's Work ???

Add dragons and White Walkers, you've got GTA plus Game of Thrones. A new Red Wedding every week. Sounds to me like Iraq's Shia-slaughtering suicide bombings.

Who wouldn't follow Vladimir Putin where the alternative is Western governments laced with Sa'ud bribes? The Assad government, Hezbollah, Quds Force, "volunteers" out of Russia -- what kind of threat do they present to most countries compared to ISIS and Al Qaeda?

 

Rea war is not  like video o games. It is far more complicated . There are usually only two sides in video games. There are many more in a real war plus years of history. There are also interests outside the region. Both Great powers need to be attacking an enemy 'to get votes back home Whether Russia or USA should even be there is debatable.

 Also it is tue Arab countries have too many unemployed youth. Wars are one but not the best way to employ them. The UN has no power to do anything while Russia and USA have vetos.

 


Edited by Helice, 16 September 2015 - 08:46 AM.
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Posted 16 September 2015 - 07:47 AM

You put the Shite cause well but ignore the wider ramifications. All sides in this dispute are to blame. Russia and the USA should not be even there. The Sunnies and Shites have to learn to live in peace as they have done in the past.

 

The ordinary Sunnis and Shiites aren't the problem.

 

Sa'ud & GCC backed bigots from Muslim Brotherhood to Al Qaeda to ISIS were murdering people apace long before the Superpowers got involved in this round of slaughter in Syria. (Apart from the U.S. driving AQI off into Syria with the benighted "The Surge" fiasco.)

 

On the Shia side there's nothing like that. Murdering civilians is forbidden. You have local tribes banding together to defend their home territory. That happens in Lebanon and Yemen with some effect. Murdering Sunni civilians has no place in Shia theology.

 

When the Nazis went over to selling anti-Semitism and hating Gypsies, gays, Baptists, Slavs, et.al. as subhumans that was not a "learn to live in peace" problem. The Wahhabi fanatics are easily as hate-driven as the Nazis ever were. Maybe more so. For example, I don't recall the Nazis recruiting people with major depression to deliver hundreds of suicide bombs.

 

The SS did make regular use of rape. ISIS = SS. There's that.

 

Copycats.

 

The Russians lost 30 to 40 million to the Nazis. They equate the Wahhabi with the Nazis and teach it that way. Syria? How is that different in human impacts from Operation Barbarossa? 2011 from 1941 ???



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 08:53 PM

The nazies were threatening Europe. War is usually to defend your country not to attack th worst evil.



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 06:24 PM

ISIS and its allies are threatening Syria and Iraq. If they could consolidate control that ambition would spread immediately to Muslim areas to the north and east. Eventually to pull off rebellions in the GCC states.

 

American propaganda has shifted over to claiming that the Assad regime are enemies of the United States. Sponsors of terrorism, if you take the claims literally. Washington Post echos this party line:

9 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask

 

1. What is Syria?

2. Why are people in Syria killing each other?

3. That's horrible. But there are protests lots of places. How did it all go so wrong in Syria? And, please, just give me the short version.

4. I hear a lot about how Russia still loves Syria, though. And Iran, too. What's their deal?

5. This is all feeling really bleak and hopeless. Can we take a music break?

6. Why hasn't the United States fixed this yet?

7. So why would Obama bother with strikes that no one expects to actually solve anything?

8. Come on, what's the big deal with chemical weapons? Assad kills 100,000 people with bullets and bombs but we're freaked out over 1,000 who maybe died from poisonous gas? That seems silly.

9. Hi, there was too much text so I skipped to the bottom to find the big take-away. What's going to happen?

 

Again and again, bxllshxt.

 

Not one mention that the 2011 violence was initiated by Muslim Brotherhood in Aleppo. That the mass killings all involve ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, or Al Qaeda (called Nusrah Front.) That these Islamist killers are financed out of the GCC countries -- Qatar, Saudi Arabia, et.al.

 

Generally the Syrians are only mildly religious.

 

No mention that Syria was a critical U.S. ally after 9/11 Good enough to serve as a destination for the "rendition" kidnap victims who were subsequently processed with extreme measures to extract information.

 

Anti-Jihad traditions in Syria, Iran and Russia go back many centuries. WaPo either pretends not to know the basic history or they really are ignorant scribes for DoD/CIA tales.

 

And finally, obviously, no mention that there are two alternatives in Syria. The first is to go with Assad, warts and all. The second is to allow ISIS/MB/AQ to take over Syria.

 

The latter option is great for Perpetual War. Here's the summary from WaPo:

 

The military options are all bad. Shipping arms to rebels, even if it helps them topple Assad, would ultimately empower jihadists and worsen rebel in-fighting, probably leading to lots of chaos and possibly a second civil war (the United States made this mistake during Afghanistan's early 1990s civil war, which helped the Taliban take power in 1996). Taking out Assad somehow would probably do the same, opening up a dangerous power vacuum. Launching airstrikes or a "no-fly zone" could suck us in, possibly for years, and probably wouldn't make much difference on the ground. An Iraq-style ground invasion would, in the very best outcome, accelerate the killing, cost a lot of U.S. lives, wildly exacerbate anti-Americanism in a boon to jihadists and nationalist dictators alike, and would require the United States to impose order for years across a country full of people trying to kill each other.

 

All of the rebels are Islamists. 100%. ISIS/MB/AQ. "Shipping arms to rebels" is borderline delusional. That's what John McCain and Hillary Clinton backed as recently as 2012.

 

Yeah, crazy stuff.

 

Betcha that the armaments companies project they can make trillions off this war in Syria. They need an ISIS victory to make their big dreams come true.


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:59 PM

The problem with Syria that it has become part of big power poltics. Obama had threaten to take action if Syria use chemivcal weapons. It did and Obama did nothing. Russia intervene trying t have a place in the Middle East. As it supports the present government of Syria the USA can not take any futher action. Both sides want to get rid of ISIs but without co operation there is little they can do.

The limited bombing is only to help Iraq. It will not solve the Syrian problem.



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Posted 17 October 2015 - 06:34 PM


The problem with Syria that it has become part of big power politics....

 

The problem landed in 2011 when the Sa'uds and their allies decided to use the Syrian drought as a fulcrum to leverage their efforts to take over the country. The Ba'athist regime was 60:40 Sunni-to-Shia in the management positions apart from the presidency.

 

One big problem for Washington is a committed blindness to operations led by the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria. That group is tightly coupled with their partners in Egypt and with HAMAS. MB has centered out of Aleppo for decades.

 

Now Washington insists on calling them "Free Syrian Army." It is like calling Al Qaeda "secular nationalists." An excerpt from a typical propaganda piece:

 

After many scares and several false starts, the crucial battle for Syria’s second biggest city has begun.

 

For more than a year the southern edges of rebel-held Aleppo have been a wasteland. Regime soldiers have been fixed in their positions several kilometres from the battered city limits, while rebels have shored up defences on their side of the ruins.

 

Now, three weeks into Russia’s intervention in the Syrian war, there is movement on one of the conflict’s most static fronts. And weary opposition forces don’t like what they are seeing.

 

“The regime advanced six kilometres [on Friday] and they took three villages,” said Zakaria Malafji, a member of the Free Syrian Army inside Aleppo. “The Russians showered us with bombs even in the civilian areas. They want to clear everything so the regime tanks and even the soldiers on foot can advance.”

 

Pitched against the mix of Islamists and non-ideological rebels (sic) in the rubble....

 

“Aleppo is very important for everyone. For us, it is our supply line to Turkey for food and weapons.

 

Plainly Turkey's government is supplying these Muslim Brotherhood forces. That has been the case since 2011.

 

The Pentagon estimates the Iranian Quds Force at 2,000 officers and soldiers for the Aleppo battle. No estimates were published for Iraqi militia, for Hezbollah, for mercenaries and volunteers provided through connections with Russia. At one point the Coalition of Iraqi militias had 75,000 troops in the field taking Tikrit. That was a simple exercise, killing off all of 200 ISIS fighters. What they learned was how to set up a siege.

 

Winter favors the Syrian government and allies.

 

Siege warfare gives the advantage to these anti-Brotherhood, anti-ISIS forces. The Islamists have lost every battle since 2012 that found them trapped in a seige. al-Qusayr, Amerli, Jurf al-Sahkar, tikirt, the Little Zeb basin. The siege at Mosul is bleeding them out both for ISIS inside the loop and for groups that attempt to reinforce them.

 

A side bet: after the government of Syria and allies surround Aleppo, collapse will come before the end of spring.

 

And despite bribes and blackmail, the Sa'ud leader coming to Washington on a $300,000,000 flying carpet, the weeping of corporate media, and political lying by the yard there will be clear movement from there toward ending the war that started in 2011.

 

ISIS will remain a force. An invading army as well, as it have been since 2008 when its "AQI" predecessor came north in response to "The Surge" in central Iraq. Beating down ISIS after ending the Brotherhood and Al Qaeda (Nusrah) threats will take at least a year, more like two years.

 

Syria's allies have 50,000 troops in-country. All of these units have seen combat. Add the troops to the Syrian Army and the Russian Air Force. With Russian and Iranian drones in the air to prevent surprises. That force can deal with ISIS Attack Groups or anything that Brotherhood ("FSA") or Al Qaeda (Nusrah) can put into combat.

 

One question came up. Why not push into Syria north of Mosul, then move west? The answer gets to be that Turkey has used its Air Force to take out the armories up closest to the border inside Iraq/Kurdistan.The impacts of those bombings also delayed action on Mosul. (Sure, Turkey is an ally of the U.S. Two days a week???)


Edited by mmoghand, 17 October 2015 - 06:37 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 07:16 PM

It is True that all the powers  are interfering with Syria. This has always been the case. Saudi Arabia has also tried to maintain influence in the region, Russia and USA wants more influence. Even Turkey is fighting. for its own interest. In the end all we lose.



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Posted 30 October 2015 - 10:34 AM

Syrian Observatory for Human Rights dumped out a story that the Russians have killed 595 people in their first month of operations in Syria.

 

Al Jazeera quotes devotedly.

 

Hundreds killed by Russian air strikes in Syria

 

And what is Syrian Observatory for Human Rights ???

 

Well, a one-man propaganda operation located at Coventry, England. No office. No contact validation. No interviews.

 

Rami Abdul Rahman is the name given to press.

 

Question is who's financing Rahman: CIA? Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? Likud?

 

Apparently the SOHR press releases are made up. No in-country sources. Content that is barbaric, sure thing. And imaginary. Similar to a Saudi financed claim that the Syrian government is responsible for 80% of the deaths.

 

It's a gig. Guy's got a deal to make a living. Chuckle when you see corporate media repeat his stuff.


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