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#109164 - 08/12/04 02:52 AM Crisis In Sudan.
Selene Offline

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Registered: 06/25/04
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The United Nations has told Sudan to curb marauding Janjaweed militia or face sanctions, but rights group Human Rights Watch said Wednesday that fresh atrocities has occurred and disproved the Sudanese claims that security was returning to the western region. According to a report, "In many rural areas and small towns in Darfur, government forces and the Janjaweed militias continue to routinely rape and assault women and girls when they leave the periphery of the camps and towns." Janjaweed raped six girls aged 13 to 16 and beat other women at a militia checkpoint in western Darfur in July, it said.

This problem started in February, 2003 when the Janjaweed militias attacked African villagers. It is over a year now, and the government of Sudan hasn't done anything. In fact, human rights group are saying that the government is doing the raping and killing alongside the Janjaweed militias. The United Nations said in a statement from Geneva on that the Janjaweed were still attacking some of the more than one million people displaced by fighting in remote Darfur, and that Sudan had carried out fresh helicopter attacks. Human Rights Watch said Khartoum was absorbing the Janjaweed into its security forces instead of disarming them.

50,000 people is now dead and over 2 million are displaced. The UN has given Sudan a month to disarm the militants otherwise they will face sanctions. The Sudanese are being killed. Genocide is taking place, and the UN thinks sanctions is the answer to solve the problem. This is a real humanitarian crisis. International community, innocent people are getting killed and young girls are being raped. Where are you? Where are your worldwide protest and condemnation of these killings? Come on.....where are your posters, placcards, and banners? Start your worldwide protest against these atrocities.

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#109165 - 08/12/04 08:46 AM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: Selene]
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Err no,we will not protest against what is happening in Sudan i am going on 41 years of age and as long as i can remember people have been killed like this in Africa.

Africa is gearing up for the comeing of the third world war and any black country or peoples that are percieved to be house negros and are on the wrong side are going to be dealt with i understand that don't you?

Whats so special about this murder and rape in Sudan.Why is this crisis being blown up like this in the western press is it because there is oil there?

The sudanese goverment should tell the American goverment to go and suck somethig soft when it comes to sactions,we saw Micheal Moores film nobody should ever listen to anything that the American senate has to say when it comes to doing the right thing.

The western world are quick to talk about sactions but never against the right countrys like Israel where sactions and international troops are needed(PDQ)pretty damn quick.
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#109166 - 08/12/04 08:54 AM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: cassielA]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Cassie, the Sudanese government needs to be shown that they cannot treat a section of their population the way they are doing. Yes there will be sanctions and if they don't work then they should be told if they can't guarantee the security and human rights of their people then troops will be brought in to make up their mind for them. Africa needs to try and move into the 21st century not be endlessly bogged down in tribal/religious conflicts.
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#109167 - 08/12/04 03:34 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: cassielA]
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Cass, you must avoid giving the perception that your political philosophy and insight is based on a movie.

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#109168 - 08/12/04 05:09 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: cassielA]
Selene Offline

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It just goes to show that the International Community can actually be a lot worse than the United States of America. The International community is supposed to be the one who has no interest and cares more about human rights regardless of what country.


Edited by Selene (08/12/04 05:15 PM)

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#109169 - 08/12/04 05:53 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: cassielA]
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Quote:

Africa is gearing up for the comeing of the third world war and any black country or peoples that are percieved to be house negros and are on the wrong side are going to be dealt with i understand that don't you?




Wanna run that by me again Cassie?

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Whats so special about this murder and rape in Sudan.Why is this crisis being blown up like this in the western press is it because there is oil there?




Blown out of prepoortion by the Western Media? I'm sorry, but I didn't realise the International Red Cross et al were media outlets.

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The sudanese goverment should tell the American goverment to go and suck somethig soft when it comes to sactions,we saw Micheal Moores film nobody should ever listen to anything that the American senate has to say when it comes to doing the right thing.




Cassie, the American Government isn't telling the Sudanese Government to do anything. The United Nations are. You know, the United Nations who you jumped up and down about America ignoring? Now, why is it OK for Sudan to ignore the U.N, but not America?

The fact of the matter is, people in Dar Fur are dying in their thousands. The Sudanese Government couldn't care less. But of course, that's OK isn't it Cassie? Afterall, African governments can do whatever the hell they like, and it's OK by you.
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#109170 - 08/12/04 05:58 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: Selene]
shedoni Offline
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Registered: 04/29/02
Loc: New Mexico USA
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Genocide is taking place, and the UN thinks sanctions is the answer to solve the problem.




Not everyone agrees....

BBC ^ | July 8, 2004
France opposes UN Sudan sanctions. France says it does not support US plans for international sanctions on Sudan if violence continues in Darfur.

Swissinfo ^ | August 10 2004 | Marcin Grajewski/Reuters
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union has said it has found no evidence of genocide in the Sudanese region of Darfur, although killing is widespread, with little evidence of government efforts to protect civilians. The conclusion of a fact-finding mission put the EU at odds with the U.S. Congress, which has levelled accusations of genocide at Sudan. . . .

The U.N. Commission on Human Rights in Geneva (remember that the US was kicked off this commission), having recently adjourned, debated what to do about Sudan and Darfur [however] the U.N team's damning report was suppressed..
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/genocide_in_sudan/

Yemen Times^August 12, 2004
After an emergency meeting of Arab Foreign Ministers last Sunday, the Arab League said it opposes sanctions against Sudan that might be implemented by the United Nations.



However--
IndoLink^New York, August 7 (NNN) :
The United Nations and Sudan have signed a deal as per which the latter will take "detailed steps" in the next 30 days to disarm the militias responsible for attacks in Darfur and improve security for the internally displaced persons (IDPs).

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The only problem with the agreement is that it cannot be implemented until the Sudanese parliament approves it----and apparently, there are no penalties if the 30 day period (whenever it begins) is not fulfilled.
Actually, 30 days is a very short time when it comes to government actions so my personal opinion is that the agreement was designed to fail while appeasing those who do not find it economically feasible to agree to sanctions--good for at least 30 days --perhaps even longer, depending on the Sudanese parliament.

And, when nothing changes, I guess the USA will get blamed for not taking independent action...We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

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#109171 - 08/12/04 06:11 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: shedoni]
Ray Offline
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Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA

quote: Originally posted by Shedoni:
The U.N. Commission on Human Rights in Geneva (remember that the US was kicked off this commission), having that recently adjourned debated what to do about Sudan and Darfur [however] the U.N team?s damning report was suppressed



quote: Originally posted by Shedoni:
France opposes UN Sudan sanctions. France says it does not support US plans for international sanctions on Sudan if violence continues in Darfur.



OK, everybody; let's just back up a bit. You remember which country replaced the United States on the UN's Human Rights Commission? Go ahead, guess. OK...I'll tell you. it was SUDAN!

Bonus Question: What country (among others) was responsible for the "coup" that replaced the United States with Sudan in the UN's HRC? Go ahead...guess. Guess!! OK...I'll tell you. FRANCE!

When are the One World nambie-pambies get it through their heads that the United Nations is worthless...totally WORTHLESS?

When are WE Americans going to stand up and admit that France is NOT our ally. At least, not in the sense that we say Britain is our ally. More like we say Saudi Arabia is our ally. (as in "Just leave the soap lying on the floor and walk away.")

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