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#313695 - 06/22/10 09:01 PM Re: "Mineral Mountain" Found in Afghanistan [Re: aus22]
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surely there are different types of Taliban.


Surely not. But tell them you think so when they come to saw off your head. At least you'll die hearing laughter.
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#313851 - 06/26/10 02:29 PM Re: "Mineral Mountain" Found in Afghanistan [Re: Dax]
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Left to their own devices, the Taliban would simply take the country again.

The Taliban needs to be eliminated, while at the same time we have to win the hearts and minds of the Afghanis, and that is a very tall order.


Yes, I agree. We eliminated the Nazis after WW2 but it wasn't pretty and Germany wasn't filled with bleeding heart reporters. But Germany didn't have the problem of Nazis taking over their country again, did they. And we got the hearts and minds as well.
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#313854 - 06/26/10 02:40 PM Re: "Mineral Mountain" Found in Afghanistan [Re: Red]
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The difference there is that Nazi Germany had a centralized dictator-run government and an organized army under its control. When we took them out, the war was over.

Afghanistan is quite different, in that its fighters conceal themselves among civilians, and it has no one central leader whose removal would end the conflict, but hundreds or thousands of mullah "generals", each operating a separate cell of fighters. Since the cells aren't under central control, taking out a warlord only makes a small local dent. Wiping out a cell just makes the other cells scramble and hide, and recruit more. They shield themselves with civilians in civilian housing instead of congregating on military installations and battlefields, ensuring that actions against them will end up harming innocents.

We mucked this up royally, due to Bush's refusal to even consider a Marshall-type plan. In the first few days after the initial wins in Afghanistan we might have truly had the country, but the former Commander in Chief giggled and said "Screw it; I want me some Saddam Hussein!" and let it all slip through his fingers... most importantly, allowing Bin Laden to escape, the putative reason for the Afghan war in the first place.

We've outstayed our welcome there, and there aren't going to be any freakin' hearts and minds on our side in Afghanistan now. The most reasonable thing to do there is pull out completely, wait until the triumphant terrorists form a centralized government, and then take that out all over again to cripple their hold on the country.
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#313858 - 06/26/10 04:01 PM Re: "Mineral Mountain" Found in Afghanistan [Re: aus22]
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What's "our" minerals doing in "their" country?
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#313866 - 06/26/10 08:50 PM Re: "Mineral Mountain" Found in Afghanistan [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Chcolategenii, They must be öur "minerals because we have made sure that Taliban do not know where they are. The Russians made a map of them but this was kept secret from the Taliban.The USa has also kept them secret. But if the war is over and the Taliban win then I think they will ceased to be our minerals.

The Australian government has said we will withdraw in 4 to 6 years. The British Conservative government within 5 years. So it will not be long.

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