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#302025 - 07/31/09 06:32 PM Re: President Obama Threatening To Jews [Re: WakeHolden]
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Wake well said.
This is what's need,white people like you in America and all over the world have to shut up people like
Aint every time he and others like him have a brain fart and show the side of white people that makes people like you go red and shake your head.

Lizbeth oh Lizbeth what is this?

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The Arab claim to the land has no basis in history,

This is the kind of comment that convinces me that human kind is doomed,if you can have someone like Lizbeth who is clearly smart,but finds it easy to make such racist and stupid remarks.Lizbeth the majority of the world who is black or brown skinned want Israel to follow international law,and if they can pull themselves away from the Talmud,make peace in the middleast.

All thinking and aware people who are fair minded believe what Arthur Koestler wrote who was Jewish just for the record god,bless him:

Taken from the book the 13th tribe.
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It is perhaps not surprising, given these circumstances, that in 732 - after a resounding Khazar victory over the Arabs - the future Emperor Constantine V married a Khazar princess. In due time their son became the Emperor Leo IV, known as Leo the Khazar. .Ironically, the last battle in the war, AD 737, ended in a Khazar defeat. But by that time the impetus of the Muslim Holy War was spent, the Caliphate was rocked by internal dissensions, and the Arab invaders retraced their steps across the Caucasus without having gained a permanent foothold in the north, whereas the Khazars became more powerful than they had previously been. .A few years later, probably AD 740, the King, his court and the military ruling class embraced the Jewish faith, and Judaism became the state religion of the Khazars. No doubt their contemporaries were as astonished by this decision as modern scholars were when they came across the evidence in the Arab, Byzantine, Russian and Hebrew sources. One of the most recent comments is to be found in a work by the Hungarian Marxist historian, Dr Antal Bartha. His book on The Magyar Society in the Eighth and Ninth Centuries4 has several chapters on the Khazars, as during most of that period the Hungarians were ruled by them. Yet their conversion to Judaism is discussed in a single paragraph, with obvious embarrassment. It reads:

Our investigations cannot go into problems pertaining to the history of ideas, but we must call the reader's attention to the matter of the Khazar kingdom's state religion. It was the Jewish faith which became the official religion of the ruling strata of society. Needless to say, the acceptance of the Jewish faith as the state religion of an ethnically non-Jewish people could be the subject of interesting speculations. We shall, however, confine ourselves to the remark that this official conversion - in defiance of Christian proselytizing by Byzantium, the Muslim influence from the East, and in spite of the political pressure of these two powers - to a religion which had no support from any political power, but was persecuted by nearly all - has come as a surprise to all historians concerned with the Khazars, and cannot be considered as accidental, but must be regarded as a sign of the independent policy pursued by that kingdom.

Which leaves us only slightly more bewildered than before. Yet whereas the sources differ in minor detail, the major facts are beyond dispute. .What is in dispute is the fate of the Jewish Khazars after the destruction of their empire, in the twelfth or thirteenth century. On this problem the sources are scant, but various late mediaeval Khazar settlements are mentioned in the Crimea, in the Ukraine, in Hungary, Poland and Lithuania. The general picture that emerges from these fragmentary pieces of information is that of a migration of Khazar tribes and communities into those regions of Eastern Europe - mainly Russia and Poland - where, at the dawn of the Modern Age, the greatest concentrations of Jews were found. This has lead several historians to conjecture that a substantial part, and perhaps the majority of eastern Jews - and hence of world Jewry - might be of Khazar, and not of Semitic Origin. .The far-reaching implications of this hypothesis may explain the great caution exercised by historians in approaching this subject - if they do not avoid it altogether. Thus in the 1973 edition of the Encyclopaedia Judaica the article "Khazars" is signed by Dunlop, but there is a separate section dealing with "Khazar Jews after the Fall of the Kingdom", signed by the editors, and written with the obvious intent to avoid upsetting believers in the dogma of the Chosen Race:


When you understand what Arthur Koestler wrote and then watch Israel murder over 1000 people in 4 weeks based on some mythical faleshood,and then have to look on in wonderment as the world stood idly by,it's not surprising to many to see the rise of anti-semitism all over the world,sad but true.


Edited by cassielA (07/31/09 06:34 PM)
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#302029 - 07/31/09 08:53 PM Re: President Obama Threatening To Jews [Re: cassielA]
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Cass, my friend,

It's never a good idea to read just the books with which you agree; however, you'll probably never change your mind no matter what.
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#302031 - 07/31/09 09:13 PM Re: President Obama Threatening To Jews [Re: lizbeth]
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Lizabeth, It is the modern Zionist Jews who believe that God gave the land to them. This was confirm by a report in the New York Times yesterday. These orthodox Jews will never give up the land but in fact settle on as much as the land they can to frustrate the Arabs. Recently some settlers laid claim to 7 distinct plots of land they could not use to deny them to the arabs.

This are not the majority of Jews but seem to influence Israel and in the past American government policy. You can never satisfy them. There beief are based on a literal intrepretation of their ( and Christian) scripture . In the Quran the Arabs claim that God through Abraham gave rights to his eldest son Ismail.. The Jews believe these rights went to the youngest son Isaac. I have given the scripture quotes eleswhere all I am saying is that your intrepretation is just one. To say that
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The Arab claim to the land has no basis in history, IMO.
is a distortion of this debate. In History there is no clear definition of the Jewish and Arab tribes. They were just Carnite tribes to one group developed a different religion of beliving in one God. The Jews until rercently at least were not a seperate race. They migrated to various countries because of perescution and try to keep their purity by marrying only fellow Jews. However it is imposible to trace a distinct Jewish race more than a few hunded years.

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Uh Jews have always shared the land and lived side by side with Arabs. It is the "Palestinians" who refuse to breathe the same air as Jews.
also ignores history Jews and Arabs did live side by side in Arab lands for centuries. It was tHe european who persecuted the Jews. Today the Abab popopulation of Israel is almost reaching a majority but there will not be given equal rights. Israel is a Jewish state where the rights of Jews is consider higher than of other citizens.If the Arabs had equal rights that there would be no need for a seperate state.


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#302032 - 08/01/09 12:22 AM Re: President Obama Threatening To Jews [Re: aus22]
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Aus, We've been through this before and I'll remind you, as I reminded Cass. Don't read just the things with which you already agree.

By the way, both Arabic people and Judaic people since before the CE shared the land as Semitic people and there wasn't any "Arab Land."

I'll see if I can find the article you mentioned.
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#302033 - 08/01/09 01:18 AM Re: President Obama Threatening To Jews [Re: lizbeth]
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Okay, I've found it and read it twice. A couple of things stood out, for me: first, that the settlement is in Samaria, part of Israel from BCE, and second, that the Israeli government must give approval for any building in that area.

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Because West Bank settlements officially require Israeli government approval and the new outposts did not obtain it, the Israeli police have dismantled several of the new ones already.


I guess there were three things, the last being that there have been Jewish settlements on the Left Bank since 1946--before Israel had been 'officially' recognized by the British Mandate.
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