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#289393 - 12/19/08 06:57 PM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: Ray]
aus22 Offline
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It is very early to get the full details but I understand that Catholic Church opposition to the proposed legislation is that it went too far and endanger marriage.

I do not think the Catholic position of homosexual acts is any diferent to hetrosexual acts outside marriage. Both are a sin. Whether they should be a crime is another matter but adultery was onces a crime.


Edited by aus22 (12/19/08 07:03 PM)

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#289396 - 12/19/08 07:24 PM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: aus22]
Ray Offline
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Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally Posted By: aus22
Whether they should be a crime is another matter...

Anyone else what to enlighten us as to either the position of U.S. jurisprudence toward homosexuality and/or the position of the Vatican toward homosexuality, from a criminal standpoint.

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#289399 - 12/19/08 07:53 PM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: Ray]
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Registered: 09/01/97
Loc: CT, US
In Vatican theology, homosexuality is a sin, but not a crime. It's important to differentiate between the two.

Homosexuality is no longer illegal in the United States.

Consider yourself enlightened. :smile:
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#289402 - 12/19/08 08:54 PM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: Helice]
Ray Offline
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Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally Posted By: Helice
In Vatican theology, homosexuality is a sin, but not a crime. It's important to differentiate between the two.

Homosexuality is no longer illegal in the United States.

Consider yourself enlightened. :smile:

Well, gee whiz! If THAT'S true, then that would seem to make WanderingSpryte's opening posting all the more confusing, since it would seem to start off with a news story about something that happened, then use that to support a conclusion about something that didn't happen. Not that that is so unusual in itself. I'm just saying.

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#289406 - 12/20/08 12:19 AM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: Ray]
wanderingspryte Offline
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Registered: 10/05/05
Loc: VA
exactly Ray! since the issue raised was in regards to "a declaration “seeking to decriminalize homosexuality" and yet "The United States did not support the nonbinding measure".. obviously you saw the issue as well..

with reagrds to any possible random anti-sodemy law out there in the US.. I, too, was under the impression that homosexuality wasn't a crime in the US.. hence my perplexness of the US not agreeing to a non-binding measure supporting the decriminalization thereof...

and then I read the 'but'...“We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but..."

buts... dicey things buts are...




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#289419 - 12/20/08 12:22 PM Re: We are opposed to any discrimination, legally or politically, but ... [Re: wanderingspryte]
Ray Offline
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Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally Posted By: wanderingspryte
exactly Ray! since the issue raised was in regards to "a declaration “seeking to decriminalize homosexuality" and yet "The United States did not support the nonbinding measure".. obviously you saw the issue as well..

But I'm not sure you've answered my question. True, the U.S. didn't sign the non-binding resolution dicriminalizing homosexuality on the stated grounds that its oh-so-broad language could be problematic for existing U.S. law. Absent from your original story was the counter-non-binding resolution, simultaneously brought forth by several Middle East countries, a resolution which the U.S. ALSO declined to sign.

So in the case your statement...

Originally Posted By: WanderingSpryte
So, the US has joined the ranks of Russia, China, the Roman Catholic Church, and members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference as far as HUman Rights are concerned for homosexuals. (I don't like that company)

...it makes me wonder what the "ranks" of Russia, China, the Roman Catholic Church and the Organization of the Islamic Conference have in common regarding homosexuality that you felt it worthwhile bringing it to our attention. Could you explain that, if you don't mind?

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