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#283731 - 10/02/08 11:31 AM
Re: To Bail, or Not To Bail
[Re: Lawmage]
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Registered: 10/03/06
Loc: California
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Why are credit cards accepted and personal checks aren't? Liz, its all about who assumes the risk. If a merchant accepts a check that merchant assumes the risk. WHat risk? The risk you may not actually have the funds in your bank acount to pay that check. Not only that reason...but banks have the right and often do in these times, hold up checks for 2 weeks +. Why in the heck it takes that long in these days of instant communication is beyond me, except banks like to "sit" on YOUR money..earning lovely interest. We never accept personal checks now for our business, instead we expect my clients to pay us in wire transfers, cashiers or certified checks... We have had too much trouble lately with our bank holding funds to the limits. ...Another new ploy of theirs, which I found out the hard way over the summer....is: say you have $5,000.00 in your banking account...money cleared ready to be spent, you then deposit a check for $10,000.00...suddenly the next day, you have a defict of $5,000.00 in your account!!! You write a few checks on the 5 grand you thought you had and they bounce..now you owe the bank several $35.00 fees for returned checks...if over the overdraft. This happened to me over the summer, and I am in the midst of getting the mess straightened out. It happened at Wells Fargo Bank which has been a good institute and has always deposited my funds and made them available within 2 to 4 days...so I was astounded! All this tells me is everyone wants cash or credit these days... Little scary, when we can no longer write checks or expect a check to be in our funds within a week or less...
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#283795 - 10/02/08 11:43 PM
Re: To Bail, or Not To Bail
[Re: Chocolategenii]
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Registered: 11/29/06
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I understand banks holding on to our money in order to earn interest (that doesn't come to us)on it--I don't agree with it, but I know it happens, which is why I said I understood it.
But some credit card companies hold payment to the merchant, as well. At least, that's the reason given for gas stations, for example, insisting that you either have their own credit card, a debit card, or pay cash. Plus credit card companies charge the merchant a 'processing' fee, which small businesses can't afford, especially in WA.
I don't, however, understand how you could deposit a $10,000 check into an account that already shows a $5,000 balance and emd up the next day with a $5,000 deficit, CG. How did that happen?
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#284105 - 10/07/08 03:08 AM
Re: To Bail, or Not To Bail
[Re: Chocolategenii]
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I'd like to know, from a Republican, if this is an example of self-regulating financial institutions. Countrywide Financial has agreed to the largest program ever to modify home loans, as part of a settlement with officials in 11 states, including Washington.
Countrywide, the nation's largest lender and loan servicer, recently acquired by Bank of America, had been sued by the states over what they said were predatory lending practices. To settle the suits, it will provide $8.4 billion in direct loan relief, affecting about 400,000 borrowers nationwide, while waiving certain fees and setting aside additional money to help people in foreclosure and relocating.
Along with the direct relief, Countrywide will waive late fees of $79 million and prepayment penalties of $56 million and suspend foreclosures on delinquent borrowers with the riskiest loans.
A foreclosure relief fund will be created with $150 million from Countrywide to help borrowers who are four months or more behind on their payments or whose homes have already been foreclosed on. The company also will provide $70 million to help troubled borrowers relocate to rental housing.
In all, Countrywide is setting aside $8.7 billion to help borrowers. Countrywide was facing suits in eleven states before it was acquired by Bank of America and chose settlement rather than a trial. Does the BofA expect to be repaid out of our $700B bailout monies or is it freeing up (or is Countrywide) it's own reserved monies to meet this settlement agreement. I ask for a couple of reasons. First, if this is a settlement made possible by the bail-out, our tax money will be used to make big banks even bigger. Second, if the BofA or Countrywide is making their own money available for the settlement, why is a bail-out using our money needed?
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#284169 - 10/08/08 01:23 AM
Re: To Bail, or Not To Bail
[Re: Lawmage]
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Law, we often read the same things in different ways, as we should.
Bank of America bought Countrywide back in January of this year for $4B--as I understand it, that means BoA bought Countrywide's assets some of which include mortgage loans that remain solvent.
What isn't clear from the article is who's paying for the Countrywide legal settlement? Is it BoA, Countrywide or us?
Your assignment, should you accept it, is to find out...
I asked for a Republican's opinion because, if BoA and Countrywide are paying the bills, and if this is an example of deregulated self-regulation--or self-correction--then it's a good thing. If, on the other hand, the legal settlement will be paid for out of bail-out money, it's not a good thing.
I have to think that BoA knew the exact cost of the settlement plan prior to its purchase of Countrywide and that was factored into the $4B purchase price. In other words, there is money in some banks and they're using it to purchase failing financial institutions.
As a result of the panic caused by the dire warnings that led to approval of the bail-out, there's been a run on Wall St. as people pull out of the market in order to save what they can rather than lose everything.
See why I can't place blame?
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