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#281781 - 09/11/08 01:16 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: Elena]
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I know very little and am willing to say so. I know nothing about the Caucases except what you've told us. If you say that the region is rife with tribal vendettaism, then I guess I'd have to say that Yevloyev's 3rd cousin, twice removed, kiilled Zyazibov's cousin in retaliation.

Does it matter to the war in Georgia?
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#281784 - 09/11/08 01:42 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: lizbeth]
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Does it matter to the war in Georgia?


It was you post about Yevloyev death in this thread, so I thought that you see any connection ....
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#281789 - 09/11/08 02:32 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: Elena]
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Sweetpea, my mind sees a lot of connections--some of them are valid, many of them aren't. Before FM, I had my husband and my acquaintances off whom I could ding my thoughts. Since most of my acquaintances often don't understand my words--not just my meanings, but dictionary meanings, my conversations with them are limited to what they do understand. As a result, some of my acquaintances have become friends while many of them remain acquaintances.

But, before FM, I only had one presenter of opposing views--my husband. Now I have the entire FoolMoon membership.

Tomorrow--the world!


Edited by lizbeth (09/11/08 02:35 AM)
Edit Reason: adding things in an attemp to make my meaning clear
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#281793 - 09/11/08 04:36 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: lizbeth]
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You see, all our opinions are subjective, not only because our personality, but because of our background knowledge (which is limited a priori). Thus we always have an entire world as our opponents.
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#281849 - 09/11/08 01:53 PM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: Elena]
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I start to think that there is a sporadical freedom of speech in USA. smile

.http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/73675

Russia to Georgia - ...fool us twice and "Dasvedanya!"

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When Russia responded to the attack by Georgia on South Ossetia, they could very easily have gone much further (all the way to the Georgian capital Tbilisi). Saakashvili would have course have departed before the arrival of the Russian forces, and probably be seen chewing his tie on the long flight back to America.

However, Russia showed tremendous restraint by halting their advance when they did (of their own accord), but many felt they should have gone further. This clearly shows that Russia´s response was controlled and designed to send a message to Georgia (and those that support this country): "We could have done more, but chose not to, this time"


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The French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, has been trying very hard to get Russia to withdraw its troops not just from Georgia, but from Abkhazia and South Ossetia as well. Is he crazy?

Maybe Sarkozy has forgotten that Saakashvili told Russia that he would not attack South Ossetia just hours before he did. Is Russia supposed to trust someone like that?


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Dmitry Medvedev has announced withdrawal dates (from other parts of Georgia) on certain conditions. Whilst the US is promoting this as some victory for the West and a "concession" by Russia, they would be wise to read the small print on this deal. Russia will remove their troops from Georgia 10 days after the EU deploys a peace keeping force there and the EU will be responsible for any violations.


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The problem with bullies (US, Israel and NATO) is that once you show that you are not afraid of them and fight back (as Russia is doing at the moment), they very quickly lose their courage and try to get others to help fight their fights. Unfortunately, they are fast running out of "friends" and will have to accept that fact, sooner or later.
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#282628 - 09/19/08 02:03 PM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: Elena]
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Nope, Ukraine is one of said number who have experienced Russian unreliability mysteriously linked to political climate wink
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#282663 - 09/20/08 02:50 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: Elena]
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Russia will remove their troops from Georgia 10 days after the EU deploys a peace keeping force there and the EU will be responsible for any violations.


That's funny. So Russia will step in, stop Georgia from committing "genocide", but will continue to allow S. Ossetians to murder Georgian civilians.... But they'll only leave when the UN steps in and prevents, um, who again from committing what violations?

Elena, how you justify Russia's actions is beyond me. I mean really, it's like justifying the US excursion into Iraq. IE, there really is none.
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#282664 - 09/20/08 02:53 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: RNG]
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Nope, Ukraine is one of said number who have experienced Russian unreliability mysteriously linked to political climate wink


I can't imagine such political climate (in capitalist society) when goods sell for nothing. Btw, during many years Ukraine made the most money on re-export of Russian gas. How? The prices for Ukraine were several times lower than for UK, for example.
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#282666 - 09/20/08 02:59 AM Re: War in Georgia! [Re: stone]
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So Russia will step in, stop Georgia from committing "genocide", but will continue to allow S. Ossetians to murder Georgian civilians....


NO, Russians tried to prevent it and allowed Georgians cars to move to Georgia. Sometimes Russians even battle with "white bands" to defend Geogian civilians.

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Elena, how you justify Russia's actions is beyond me. I mean really, it's like justifying the US excursion into Iraq. IE, there really is none.


If you don't believe in genocide, there are no reasonable arguments for you.
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