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#275375 - 07/14/08 07:16 AM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Bad Bird]
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Liz wrote: But the thread is about farming in deforestrated areas of the Amazonian rainforest
Not exactly...the thread is about the broader environment and Mankind's place and role in that environment. Farming in deforested areas is being used as a salient in that discussion.

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However, Amazonian rainforests are now being cut down at an alarming rate--alarming to people who care about the environment and the amount of clean air a rainforest provides the world.
Implicit in your statement is that people who are not "alarmed" by such cutting do not care about the environment or the putative amount of clean air a rainforest provides to the world. That is little more than an attempt to falsely claim the moral highground for your side of the discussion and to cast the opposition as somehow immoral or degenerate. In point of fact, some of us are not overwrought about the forest clearing because we know that the environment changes, forests come and go and come again....People need to eat as well, Liz, and farming in former forested areas is one way to provide that food. As it happens, I think we ought to take a go slow approach to such clearing because I think there exists a strong likelihood that valuable plant and animal resources are being lost before they can be properly exploited. As for the clean air argument...its a false one, Liz. Grasslands are far more effective than rain forest at serving as the "lungs of the planet." In point of fact, the oceans are infinitely more effective that rain forest or grasslands. The entire "lungs of the planet" issue is a fabricated one intended to instil fear for the purpose of modifying behavior. I thought you were opposed to such fear mongering?

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#275376 - 07/14/08 07:17 AM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Lawmage]
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Incidently, why is it that when a foreign national comes to the US and opens a business he or she is not deemed a representative of their country but if an American goes anywhere and does anything its suddenly a part of US policy?

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#275386 - 07/14/08 12:46 PM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Which orignal rain forest, Dax? The one the existed before the Olmecs cut large swathes of it down? The one the existed before the Toltecs cut large swathes of it down? The one the existed before the Mayans cut large swathes of it down? Or the one that grew back and is now being cut down by modern Brazilians?

That's the one!

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#275416 - 07/14/08 04:26 PM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Lawmage]
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Because that's the double standard we live by. It's OK to call a duck a duck everywhere but here.

LEM's mayor, Oziel Oliveira, had this to say when asked if Americans were welcome to farm in Brazil, "Absolutely. They're turning into Brazilians."

Volumes.
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Paddle or die!

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#281779 - 09/11/08 12:43 AM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Myrddin]
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Brazil is a bunch of bullshit and from there just to get a driver's license or a state ID you have to go to 3 places. It is not like here where you just show 2 forms of ID.


Edited by Ray (09/11/08 12:57 AM)
Edit Reason: Mr. Spellchecker is our friend.

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#281819 - 09/11/08 09:34 AM Re: Americans Farm Brazil [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Incidently, why is it that when a foreign national comes to the US and opens a business he or she is not deemed a representative of their country but if an American goes anywhere and does anything its suddenly a part of US policy?

Because U.S.A. rules!!!

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Lawmage: The entire "lungs of the planet" issue is a fabricated one intended to instil fear for the purpose of modifying behavior

Attempting to modify people's behavior by instilling fear and terror in them is very wrong, and should never be used to accomplish goals or preserve power. I think that's something we can all agree on.

I don't know how much rain forest is left, and how much is being destroyed on a daily basis, but apparently there are enough people in the world who don't care to make clearing a viable option.




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