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#278473 - 08/13/08 11:03 PM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
[Re: Sleek Phantom Mystic]
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Whoa! It's premature to make assumptions about the motive for this killing.
You are placing a political motive on the killer. It's very a viable theory.
It's equally as likely that he believed Bill Gwatney was a secret agent for the powerful and evil Manitoba mob, using his position to establish new territory for the mob's kidnapping and coerced prostitution ring which they were planning on doing across the street from the killer's home for the purpose of enslaving and defiling the shooter's mother, sisters, grandma, slender cousin Andrew for some reason, and even himself for knowing the Awful Truth. He had to do it because they wouldn't let him alone with all those blatant messages encoded in the newspaper headlines and the television shows, and people following him and disappearing and noises in the closet and oh god oh god the pain in his head won't let him sleep, he needs sleep, if he could only sleep, he could sleep if that bastard Gwatney was dead.
Like that. Or, y'know, maybe he hated the blacks?
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#278477 - 08/13/08 11:35 PM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
[Re: Helice]
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Like that. Or, y'know, maybe he hated the blacks? Or...it could have been that after being a "Ford" man all his life, this guy decided to take advantage of the low interest financing and customer cash rebates on a new 2008 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 pickup from Gwatney Chevrolet, 1301 T P White Dr. in Jacksonville. But the truck had a few problems with the air conditioner so he took it back to the dealership. However, upon an inspection which included bringing the service manager in on the problem, the truth eventually came out and it was revealed that the gunman had first taken his new truck to a "shade tree" mechanic a half mile from his house to fix the air conditioner because he was from Conway, about 50 minutes way from Jacksonville and he didn't want to drive all that way back to Gwatney Chevrolet. But the shade tree mechanic completely destroyed the air conditioner so when the guy eventually took his new Silverado back to the dealership he was told that his warranty had been voided as far as the air conditioner was concerned. As you can imagine this guy was really upset (due partly to his own embarrassment at being so stupid in the first place as to not take his truck back to the dealer in the first place) so he tried to bluster his way back into getting the work done under warranty which eventually went all the way up the chain of command to the manager of the dealership who apologized but said there wasn't anything he could do about the warranty but they'd be glad to fix his truck and even throw in a free hand washing if he wanted to pull his truck around to the service door. The gunman said $#&*^ you and the horse you road in on. Still furious, the guy in the Silverado with the non-functioning air condition started driving back to Conway, going through North Little Rock he happened to see Bill Gwatney who was on his way to the Democratic headquarters. So he started tailing Gwatney on Interstate 30, across the Arkansas River bridge into Little Rock where he parked outside the building, then sat in his truck stewing over how Gwatney Chrevolet had screwed him, and there was that bastard Bill Gwatney going into the building right now. Well, you know the rest of the story. Gwatney died later at the hospital and the dissatisfied owner of the new 2008 Chevy Silverado 4x4 Crew Cab pickup died after leading the cops on a chase down Highway 167 South toward Fordyce that ended in a hail of bullets just outside Sheridan, Arkansas. Like that. Or, y'know, maybe he just hated the blacks, which is why he shot Bill Gwatney. Because Gwatney is black.
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#278566 - 08/15/08 09:47 AM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
[Re: Aint]
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For the record, should anyone not have access to the internet, Bill Gwatney is NOT black. He's not?!? OMG! I've been seriously misinformed. I was just going by those who thought he did it because he hated Obama. But you're right. I was assuming, but then again, maybe the guy just didn't like big ears. Or, as SPM has suggested, this might be JUST like that homophobic guy in Tennessee to maybe, uh...ummm...we're saying Bill Gwatney was gay? What? Now I'm confused. Wait a minute! What if Bill Gwatney was a gay black guy with big ears? Would that satisfy the theories of blatant racist, homophobic, dumbophobic redneckism?
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#278575 - 08/15/08 11:28 AM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
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This topic contains more wild speculation, exaggeration and misinformation than ten episodes of 'Sean Hannity's America.'
The motive is unknown, and in fact may never be known. It doesn't matter if Gwatney was gay or black or militant or neocon or transgendered, he was a victim of this guy's gun.
Those who remember the Harvey Milk killing in San Fransisco will understand that any extreme, undeserved action against a particular "category" of person (black, gay, short, old, etc.) will, in America at least, cause a backlash which benefits the intended class of victims.
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#278582 - 08/15/08 12:19 PM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
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Dax: It doesn't matter if Gwatney was gay or black or militant or neocon or transgendered, he was a victim of this guy's gun. I see what you did there. If the gun did the victimizing, then Johnson had little or nothing to do with it and there is no further need to discuss his motive or him at all. Dax: Those who remember the Harvey Milk killing in San Fransisco will understand that any extreme, undeserved action against a particular "category" of person (black, gay, short, old, etc.) will, in America at least, cause a backlash which benefits the intended class of victims. True that.
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#278658 - 08/16/08 11:09 AM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
[Re: Sleek Phantom Mystic]
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No having a computer does'nt make him a redneck, but hating Liberals,Gays,Blacks,Whites,Hispanics,etc., and going out to kill those people does. Since you, yourself, said in another thread that everyone has their prejudices, I should like to point out that "rednecks" are also distinguished by a sense of honor and social structure within their society. They value self-reliance and exhibit a sense of community that evidences itself in individuals going out of their way to easy the path of their neighbors who have come upon misfortune. Another way of saying "rednecks" don't contribute to the community chest; they cook up casseroles, gather up clothes and whatnot, and deliver them personally to those in need. They have, not just extended families, but an expanded sense of family. If the phrase "It takes a village," in the original sense of phrase, can be applied to anyone, it most definitely applies to "rednecks." In short, "rednecks" are the people you tend to find living in small towns. Not just small towns in the South, but small towns. Trust me, you'll find plenty of "rednecks" in Massachusetts, Vermont, Oregon, California, and Minnesota if you just care to look. "Redneck" isn't geographical, it's sociological. And while the term is a pejorative, it is often applied to people who, along with their shortcomings, display a great many admirable qualities, too.
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#278781 - 08/17/08 04:39 PM
Re: Gunman Critically Wounds Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman
[Re: Helice]
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Ray, the definition of "redneck" you use takes it to mean "country people" or "farmers" or "people who live in rural areas"
But that was never the definition of "redneck" that I, as a northerner, grew up with.
To me, the term was always used to define an ignorant, bigoted, 'Bull Connor' type of southerner, not every southerner by any means. And by extension there were Yankee rednecks as well, it was first identified by locale and behavior, then by behavior alone.
So perhaps some of the problem is how we define the terms.
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