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#278162 - 08/10/08 06:01 AM Racism
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About 100 years ago, a young white woman, Mabel Hallam, accused a black man of rape. Her accusation led to a pogram of both blacks and whites (those who sought to defend the African Americans--or whatever the PC label is now.) Black men were hanged and their bodies were mutilated, all of whom were guilty of only one thing--their skin color.

Mabel Hallam, after the pogram, admitted that she'd 'made up' the accusation in order to explain to her husband why she had 'bruises' left by her boyfriend.

This is the atmoshpere--as well as what more recent anti-African-American stridents could be calling for given an Obama candidacy, that Obama will face.
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#278169 - 08/10/08 07:00 AM Re: Racism [Re: lizbeth]
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Gee...one hundred years ago there were racist assholes willing to launch a pogrom and Liz believes this indicates what Obama faces now? How so? Does she seriously mean to suggest that if Obama formally wins the Democratic nomination for President there will be a "pogram" and blacks and those whites who support Obama will be sexually mutilated and then lynched? Frankly, I find her suggestion that those who oppose Obama's candidacy are anti-African American to be offensive and unworthy of Fool Moon. Her insinuation that those who oppose Obama are a bunch of sadistic torturing murderers is merely laughable.
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#278179 - 08/10/08 08:31 AM Re: Racism [Re: Lawmage]
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Yes, Law, I do believe that this sort of mentality is what Obama will face this November.
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#278192 - 08/10/08 11:31 AM Re: Racism [Re: lizbeth]
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For the most part, voters will vote the issues and/or the candidate who best serves their own interests, or at least the candidate they think will best serve their interests.

As I said in another topic, there is no question that some American voters will not vote for Obama because of his skin color, but I believe the majority of voters of both parties will vote either party-line, or issues, and not race.

In terms of racial tolerance and equality, I hope we are a better country now than we were a hundred years ago.

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#278210 - 08/10/08 03:24 PM Re: Racism [Re: Dax]
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Originally by: Dax
For the most part, voters will vote the issues and/or the candidate who best serves their own interests, or at least the candidate they think will best serve their interests.

As I said in another topic, there is no question that some American voters will not vote for Obama because of his skin color, but I believe the majority of voters of both parties will vote either party-line, or issues, and not race.

In terms of racial tolerance and equality, I hope we are a better country now than we were a hundred years ago.

So do I, Dax, so do I.

But the problem--and it isn't just a matter of racial intolerance/ equality--is that when the voters you describe in your first paragraph are fairly equally split, as seems to more common today than it once was, the small number of people that vote their racial/religious/ethnic/etc biases become the swing voters; with influence far out of proportion to their numbers. Don't underestimate the significance of the problem.

How big is the bigotry voting block? It is hard to say, but I would wager there are large numbers of closet bigots that do not practice in the voting booth what they can no longer proclaim in polite society.
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#278268 - 08/11/08 12:35 PM Re: Racism [Re: Bad Bird]
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Those bigots you describe..ones from the Democratic Party have already cast their vote for Hillary or other primary candidate. IF, they are that bigotted they could very well choose to vote for McCain. Democratic voters in South Carolina overwhelmingly voted along racial lines...but interesting enough, mostly the blacks voted for Obama. McCain might get a bit of a bump from the racial divide that exists, but I doubt enough for him to win the White House.

I mentioned in another thread....many of the voters in the primaries have been younger voters and that group almost all went to integrated schools and grew up after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 produced many black teachers, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Younger people don't have the same hangups about race that older people had when they were growing up...
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#278283 - 08/11/08 06:09 PM Re: Racism [Re: Chocolategenii]
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But when people pick at the scabs and shove contrived debris into the wound like the opening post does, they will learn to have those hong ups.
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#278314 - 08/12/08 04:28 AM Re: Racism [Re: Aint]
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Aint, why do you say that?

Race riots occur whether they occured a hundred years ago--fifty years ago---in the US--or yesterday in Africa.

Are we not adult enough to acknowledge the reality of ethnic hatred?
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#278317 - 08/12/08 05:17 AM Re: Racism [Re: lizbeth]
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I think AInt was pointing out that when well intentioned but short sighted fools pick at the slowly healing scabs of racism all they do is infect those wounds, causing them to fester anew.

Frankly, I think you WAY overstate the case. Race riots? Do you seriously expect to see race riots and lynchings and genital mutilations because of Obama's candidacy, Liz? If you do, I begin to expect you truly do live somewhere other than the America the rest of us know.
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#278320 - 08/12/08 06:30 AM Re: Racism [Re: Lawmage]
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That may be true, Law, but

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It wasn't America's first riot, and certainly not the last.

But this one was in the hometown of Abraham Lincoln, the president who helped end slavery.

Today, Lincoln's city — where Barack Obama launched his campaign to become the first black president — is finally commemorating the events that erupted 100 years ago this month.

At the time, even respectable citizens came out to gawk at the smoldering rubble and a body hanging from a tree.

"His feet dangling and within reach ... the men and boys played with the corpse by swinging it back and forth against the building to hear the dull thud," a local newspaper reported.

Outraged activists helped form the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in response to this "race war in the north."

"It wasn't in Mississippi, it was in Illinois. That jarred people," said Roger Wilkins, publisher of the NAACP's The Crisis magazine. "Add the fact that it's where Lincoln is buried. You have a lot of symbolism. Lincoln was a live memory to a lot of people."

Then the riot simply faded into history.

Nationally, it was overshadowed by larger riots in East St. Louis and in Tulsa, Okla.

And for generations, it was studiously ignored in Springfield.



I didn't say that there would be race riots, Law. I simply said that I would expect the same sort of retaliation and possibly widespread ignorance given an Obama candidacy. Race riots, I'd hope not, Law and Aint. Ignorance, I expect, I'm sorry to say.

Just look at Helice's reporting of the Black swimmer who won the Gold in the Olymics and the Black reporter who continued to express astonishment that an Afreican-American could not only swim, but could win.
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