Announcements
Sponsors
Good Stuff
Shout Box

Who's Online
2 Registered (Elena, lizbeth), 81 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Photo Gallery
2005 Suzuki C50 Boulevard
SKS
My baby part duex
Nature
Michigan Lighthouses and Shoreline Images
My new baby
Flower Power
The March of the Geese
Ireland 2008 pt. 3
Ireland 2008 pt. 2
Ireland 2008 pt.. 1
Local Elected "Honest" Politician.
Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
New Reply
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
Hop to:
#277983 - 08/08/08 12:13 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: lizbeth]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: lizbeth
There are no provisions made for his detention during those 5 months and no plans made for him after his sentence is completed. As a matter of fact, Mr. Bush has already said that he'll be held indefinitely, leaving his disposition up to the next administration.

I thought I heard he was to be kept at Gitmo but be housed separately from the other detainees. However, I'm sure you know more about that than I do.

Originally by: Lizbeth
What will happen to what the Bush administration calls, 'unlawful enemy combatants?' There are still 200 of them left in Gitmo.

Wait a minute! Still 200 of them left? ONLY 200? Where are all the other detainees? There were a lot more than 200 at Gitmo. What happened to them?

Originally by: Lizbeth
Will Mr. Bush's entire legal 'house of cards' come tumbling down?

Really? What "house of cards" is that?
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#277995 - 08/08/08 01:59 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Ray]
Dax Administrator Offline
Administrator

Registered: 08/01/99
Loc: New York, NY (New York)
Quote:
Ray: Wait a minute! Still 200 of them left? ONLY 200? Where are all the other detainees? There were a lot more than 200 at Gitmo. What happened to them?

The ones who didn't die there were tortured and released.

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#277996 - 08/08/08 02:01 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Dax]
Dax Administrator Offline
Administrator

Registered: 08/01/99
Loc: New York, NY (New York)
Quote:
Lawmage: I cannot categorically say whether or not the driver was privy to the most secret inner workings of al Qaeda or not as I have not seen the evidence against him.

And it's likely you never will, what with the secrecy and all.

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278002 - 08/08/08 02:26 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Dax]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: Dax
The ones who didn't die there...

WOW! And how many of them DIED there????
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278011 - 08/08/08 02:55 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Ray]
Helice Administrator Offline
Administrator

Registered: 09/01/97
Loc: CT, US
Seems to be around five, so far... with more to come, since there are some detainees with grave illnesses that (according to doctors and attornies) are being held in solitary confinement without medical treatment for their illnesses.

68 year old detainee died of cancer a month or so ago in detention... never had any charges brought against him. In prison for the last 7 years of his life without anyone ever daying exactly why, and then dead from cancer without medical treatment. Others dead from "apparent suicides" (official cause of death according to the military), and one death after a torure session.

There's a guy in solitary about to die from liver disease... so it'll be six any minute. He was found innocent by two tribunals so far and still not released or charged. No doctors are being allowed to treat him.

Is that a good answer?
_________________________
Helice

Nemo me impune lacesset.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in
religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is
limited to the world we live in; but this attempts to
stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into
eternity."

-- Thomas Paine

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278013 - 08/08/08 03:03 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Ray]
Dax Administrator Offline
Administrator

Registered: 08/01/99
Loc: New York, NY (New York)
Three, as far as we know. And they were suicides.

I am going to predict that when the whole story of Gitmo is revealled, we will find "secret" prisons within prison, and more deaths than the three mentioned above.

But that's just opinion based on some knowledge of how this administration works, and I have no hard evidence to support it.

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278014 - 08/08/08 03:04 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Helice]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: Helice
Is that a good answer?

I'm highly skeptical of anything lawyers (and the doctors hired by those lawyers) have to say about the health of those whom they see as clients or potential clients.

As for your figures, I'm perfectly willing to accept them. So in 7 years there have been 5 or maybe about to be 6 deaths within a population of hundreds. I wonder what the numbers would be in a regular prison population. Hell, I wonder how you figures would compare with Madison, Connecticut. How many people in Madison have died in the past 7 years?

As for any statements revolving around how detainees are being denied all medical treatment, this simple is too incredulous to believe. I would expect such statements out of CassielA, not you.

As for Dax's revelation that some detainees have been "released", I only asked that question because of Lizbeth accidentally (the only conclusion you can come to) revealed that there are only about 200 detainees left at Gitmo. I don't know if that's the truth, but if it is, that's quite a come down from the hundreds there have been held there. Where are they? Well, if we concede that 3 or 5 or 6 (depending up whose figures we want to use) have died, that would seem to mean that HUNDREDS have already been released.

Naturally this is hard to believe because the tenor of the postings at Fool Moon would seem to indicate that those at Gitmo are in an eternal limbo with no chance of getting out except that they be saved by their guardian angels in the Democratic party. Oddly enough, Gitmo detainees are being released all along, but of course you don't hear much about that in the MSM just like you rarely hear about those detainees who have been released and later recaptured while once again trying to kill Americans.
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278017 - 08/08/08 03:15 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Ray]
Helice Administrator Offline
Administrator

Registered: 09/01/97
Loc: CT, US
You really think that 6% of all prison inmates die while incarcerated...?


Really?
_________________________
Helice

Nemo me impune lacesset.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in
religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is
limited to the world we live in; but this attempts to
stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into
eternity."

-- Thomas Paine

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278018 - 08/08/08 03:17 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Helice]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: Helice
You really think that 6% of all prison inmates die while incarcerated...? Really?

You really think the total Gitmo detainee population over 7 years has totaled 100?


Really?
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#278035 - 08/08/08 08:29 PM Re: Salim Ahmed Hamdan [Re: Ray]
Lawmage Offline
member

Registered: 07/03/03
Loc: varies from day to day
You beat me to it, Ray...stunning is the stupidity of the Left. Or to be fair, stunning is the stupidity to which the Left will resort in its unceasing effort to condemn the Administration and all its efforts.
_________________________
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ~ Claire Wolfe

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >

Quick Reply:
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is disabled




Town Meeting
Our American Leaders 2000-2008
by lizbeth
2 seconds ago
Retired General Looks Back on Russia
by Elena
52 minutes 36 seconds ago
A Radical Tax Reform Idea.
by stone
Today at 01:02 AM
Wal-Mart Sued By Kin Of Trampled Guard
by Chocolategenii
Today at 12:29 AM
GM's $18b Bailout
by Bad Bird
Today at 12:25 AM
Terror In India
by Chocolategenii
Yesterday at 11:31 PM
US-Africa Policy
by Aint
Yesterday at 05:17 PM
The Gas Price Update
by dreamer
12/03/08 08:36 PM
Paul Robeson--Villian or Victim?
by lizbeth
12/03/08 07:42 PM
GM Bailout
by Chocolategenii
12/03/08 02:21 PM
Office Of The President Elect
by Lawmage
12/02/08 05:42 PM
The US/India Nuclear Law
by Lawmage
12/01/08 06:57 AM
De-Regulation 'fights' Racism.
by aus22
11/29/08 06:45 PM
Black President? No Way!
by Aint
11/28/08 11:23 AM
Thanksgiving!
by jokul
11/27/08 07:31 PM
Is Palin now a Rogue?
by Chocolategenii
11/25/08 09:47 PM
Depression
by ExSoccerMom
11/25/08 07:22 PM
A Page From History
by Lawmage
11/24/08 06:41 AM
President-Elect Barak Obama
by Lawmage
11/24/08 06:36 AM
12 WeeK-Old Fetus Walks, Rubs Eyes
by Anonymous
11/23/08 11:17 PM
Science and Technology
Hand Guns for Women
by stone
Yesterday at 11:40 PM
Oxycodone
by Grams
12/03/08 04:25 PM
How did Mayans precisley predict their destruction of the civilization?
by Dax
12/03/08 02:04 PM
Does this worry you and is this true?
by Dax
12/03/08 01:57 PM
Something woke me up in the middle of the night! It was looking at me!
by FaithfulKisses
12/02/08 12:18 PM
Favorite Fool Moon Recipes
by Chocolategenii
11/30/08 01:42 PM
Whack The Penguin -- The Sequel!
by Anonymous
11/29/08 10:34 AM
Wrath Of The Lich King
by Aint
11/28/08 11:34 AM
BEWARE OF THE COMING FOOD APOCALYPSE !
by Grams
11/27/08 06:45 PM
Earth Day
by Cy_Click
11/23/08 10:28 PM
Mole/Warts is potassium the Answer?
by Chocolategenii
11/23/08 03:46 PM
Un-official.. yet we all deal with it!
by Chocolategenii
11/21/08 11:39 PM
Can you relate?
NCAA Football 2008
by Sleek Phantom Mystic
Yesterday at 10:35 AM
NFL - You Pick
by Sleek Phantom Mystic
Yesterday at 10:31 AM
Foolmoon Fantasy Football III
by jackdiddley
Yesterday at 09:58 AM
The one sentence story
by lizbeth
12/03/08 07:59 PM
Repetitive numbers all day - is someone telling us something?
by Dave V
12/03/08 05:29 PM
The Three-Word Story
by Charlotte
12/03/08 05:24 PM
Blank Spaces
by WakeHolden
11/30/08 06:10 PM
Your Pet Hamster
by Kellycakes
11/30/08 12:51 AM
The Day You Found Foolmoon
by Ray
11/28/08 04:01 PM
Miss Fool Moon USA
by WakeHolden
11/28/08 05:29 AM
The rant, whine, complain and gripe thread.
by LilMeep
11/27/08 12:30 AM
How to Convince a Girl That I Love Her More Than Others Do?
by Be Simple
11/23/08 11:51 PM
Fool Moon Fantasy NASCAR 2008 (Ford 400)
by Blizzard
11/23/08 11:07 PM
How do you know you truly love someone?
by The Wanderer
11/23/08 03:05 AM
I've got some information guys! I think you might be intrerested!
by World_HQ_Man
11/21/08 01:09 PM
Just for a laugh.....
by shedoni
11/21/08 09:12 AM
Will the CERN particle collider destroy the planet?
by Anonymous
11/19/08 03:10 PM
Wear the silver foil, for the love of all that's holy!
by Anonymous
11/19/08 03:06 PM
Elvis impersonators (Elvii) may takeover planet by 2020
by WakeHolden
11/19/08 02:41 PM
I think I might be paranoid
by Anonymous
11/18/08 03:21 PM
Nudity or no nudity?
by World_HQ_Man
11/18/08 03:08 PM
What are you reading?
by lizbeth
11/17/08 11:55 PM
Georga Anne Marie is born
by bob
11/17/08 06:08 PM
Fool Moon Fantasy NASCAR 2008 Standings
by deifan
11/17/08 02:14 PM
Chupacabras, Mexican Reptilians in Disguise
by WakeHolden
11/16/08 10:54 PM
Faith and Philosophy
The five solas #3: Sola Gratia
by lizbeth
58 minutes 59 seconds ago
Sons and Daughters of the Creator
by WakeHolden
Yesterday at 11:58 PM
Zodiac
by Lees
12/03/08 06:54 PM
Jesus' Kingdom--where is it??
by Lees
12/01/08 09:34 PM
The five solas #2: Sola Fide
by Tobias
11/29/08 12:21 PM
"Becoming" unsaved...
by DCInC
11/25/08 01:35 AM
Tobias and Satanism
by DCInC
11/24/08 01:57 AM
The Difference Between the Creator and God
by Grams
11/21/08 09:15 AM
'Feast of Tabernacles - 2008
by DCInC
11/21/08 12:36 AM
Being called to the Ministry..
by DCInC
11/20/08 02:26 AM
The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura
by Grams
11/18/08 07:11 AM
Back page of our church paper
by DixieNurse
11/17/08 11:07 PM
Be transformed
by safford13
11/17/08 01:34 PM
Samhain
by DixieNurse
11/16/08 02:53 PM
Bible Verse Abc's
by DixieNurse
11/16/08 01:31 AM
Forum Stats
8536 Members
35 Forums
11634 Topics
243098 Posts

Max Online: 2631 @ 03/18/08 12:30 AM