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#277856 - 08/07/08 12:22 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: stone]
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Gosh! The flak sure is getting heavy. Must be right over the target.
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#277861 - 08/07/08 02:32 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Ray]
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Oh you cute little dickens! You're having your cake and eating it too, aren't you!

You think you get to drop outrageous accusations and then sit back. If your bullshit passes under the radar, you get smug and announce everyone must agree with you, and if people disagree, you announce you must be right *because* they disagree with you! You've got this game beat, haven't you!

Why, I'd have to say you're too clever by half.
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#277870 - 08/07/08 09:55 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Helice]
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Gee, Helice...I wonder if Stone would say it did not matter if McCain actually came out in a speech and said he was better qualified because he did indeed look like the people on the money...? I strongly suspect Stone would be screaming about the racist Republicans and demanding McCain be tarred and feathered at the earliest possible opportunity.
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#277881 - 08/07/08 11:06 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Gee, Helice...I wonder if Stone would say it did not matter if McCain actually came out in a speech and said he was better qualified because he did indeed look like the people on the money...? I strongly suspect Stone would be screaming about the racist Republicans and demanding McCain be tarred and feathered at the earliest possible opportunity.

Obama didn't say he was better qualified, he said "They will tell you I don't look like (the money)."

If McCain said he DID look like the people on the money he'd be laughed at, because he looks as much like Lincoln and Washington as Bush does.

When Obama said "They'll tell you I don't look like..the (Presidents on the money)" he meant just that. And if you don't think the swiftboaters are doing versions of that, you don't know your own party.

In an earlier post I mentioned that there are certain people in America who would not vote for Obama because he's black. Ray countered that those people must be Republican, because they would not vote for a liberal like Obama no matter what color he was. Fair enough. It means that all the racists who would not vote for him because he's black (presumably Democrats) will use their racist hands to push the McCain lever, giving McCain 100% of the racist vote in America.

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#277882 - 08/07/08 11:12 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Dax]
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Originally by: Dax
It means that all the racists who would not vote for him because he's black (presumably Democrats) will use their racist hands to push the McCain lever, giving McCain 100% of the racist vote in America.

Oh, I don't know about "100%" I'm sure The One will get all the votes from those who are voting for him ONLY because he's black.
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#277883 - 08/07/08 11:29 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Gee, Helice...I wonder if Stone would say it did not matter if McCain actually came out in a speech and said he was better qualified because he did indeed look like the people on the money...?


Gee Lawmage... I wonder if you would say it did not matter if McCain did what you describe in the above quote. If *you* didn't come out against such a statement I'd be rather surprised.

However, neither candidate has said quite what you've quoted.
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#277886 - 08/07/08 11:40 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Helice]
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LM and Ray...you can't have it both ways. If McCain didn't mean to send a racist message by showing Obama's face on a dollar bill while a voiceover essentially says, "Who the hell does he think he is?" then when Obama referred to that ad he wasn't making a comment about race either. But since McCain characterized Obama's mention of the McCain ad as playing the race card, then there must have been a racial message in the ad, because Obama never mentioned race in his comment.
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#277888 - 08/07/08 11:50 AM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
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I acknowledge that it's a race card played, but beyond that the exaggerated claim you project on Obama is specious at best, and, if I may take a leaf from your book, a lie at worst.
What claim would that be, Dax? In the opening post the claim I made was that Obama was playing the race card. You acknowledge that to be the case. I confess to some confusion as to which claim you are saying is specious...

The claim you imply that he used that "money" remark to say "I'm black, vote for me." (That's what playing the race card means to you, doesn't it?)

But IMO he meant that the Republicanss will tell you he's black.('They'll tell you that I don't look like...") which of course is the Republican version of the race card. To suggest that he's telling you he's black is incredibly stupid, since we all have eyes.

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#277892 - 08/07/08 12:06 PM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Originally by: Chocolategenii
LM and Ray...you can't have it both ways. If McCain didn't mean to send a racist message by showing Obama's face on a dollar bill while a voiceover essentially says, "Who the hell does he think he is?"

I think the voice over essentially says, "Gosh! What a pompous jerk!" Be that what it may I should just like to know if showing the image of a $100 bill is considered "racist?" Is showing Barack Obamas face "racist?" I mean, did it just show his face photoshopped to a $100 bill? Or was something added like turning his visage into an exaggerated caricature or putting a dialog bubble over his head saying, "Yowza Massa!" or "Feets! Do yo' duty!"? Was it anything like that? Or is using someone's image to drive home the message that he's a pompous windbag "racist?" Help me out, here.
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#277897 - 08/07/08 12:19 PM Re: Obama Deals The Race Card [Re: Ray]
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wiggle wiggle.....you little worm, you!

Obama's reaction did not indicate "race".. He did not mention "race". His reaction to the McCain ad is only racist because you perceive it to be... Probably a talking point of Rush's...??? I haven't turned his show on lately...
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