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#276449 - 07/24/08 11:49 AM Darwin was correct. Missing links.
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The favorite argument of Darwin’s opponents is disability of his Theory ( of course, illusionary disability) to explain the origin of Flatfish. They said that movement of an eye from one side to another couldn’t happen gradually, because it wouldn’t be useful on the early stages of the process. But …. transitive forms were found.

"Flatfish fossils fill the missing link"

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But in the 10 July 2008 issue of Nature, Matt Friedman, graduate student in the Committee on Evolutionary Biology at the University of Chicago and a member of the Department of Geology at the Field Museum, draws attention to several examples of such transitional forms that he uncovered in museum collections of underwater fossilized creatures from the Eocene epoch--about 50 million years ago.

"We owe this discovery, in part, to the European fondness for limestone," said Friedman. The fossils, which he found in museums in England, France, Italy, and Austria, came from limestone quarries in Northern Italy and underneath modern-day Paris.

Friedman examined multiple adult fossil remains of two primitive flatfishes, Amphistium and a new genus that he named Heteronectes.

"Amphistium has been known for quite some time," he said. "The first specimen was described more than 200 years ago, but its placement in the fish evolutionary tree has been uncertain ever since. Close examination of these fossils yield clues that they are indeed early flatfishes."



.http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1410
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#276500 - 07/24/08 05:44 PM Re: Darwin was correct. Missing links. [Re: Elena]
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It is always fascinating to observe evidence of the evolutionary process. I am sure Darwin would have been pleased by this discovery.
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#276532 - 07/25/08 12:39 AM Re: Darwin was correct. Missing links. [Re: Myrddin]
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I am sure Darwin would have been pleased by this discovery and imagination of science and change of every time.
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#276548 - 07/25/08 05:24 AM Re: Darwin was correct. Missing links. [Re: asher12]
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Scientific discovery is good food for the imagination.
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#277062 - 07/29/08 10:45 PM Re: Darwin was correct. Missing links. [Re: Elena]
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First off, how did these fossils, this evidence, lay around hidden in a museum for 200 years while the flatfish debate carried on? Seems someone would have seen these before and said something.

Secondly, Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't say there is one starting point fish that all other fish evolved from. There was evolution that led to fishes and fishes evolved from those fishes in many directions. Even if it turns out that flatfish did evolve from non flatfish, I don't believe Darwin's theory says it had to happen that way.
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#277081 - 07/30/08 02:07 AM Re: Darwin was correct. Missing links. [Re: Aint]
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1. There were prints in rocks. Matt Friedman made tomography reconstructions of their sculls.
2. The matter is – many scientists ( and, of course, creationists) said that forms with asymmetrical scull with eye-socket misplaced to the top, but with eyes on different sides of it are impossible. What is the use of an eye, hidden in the sand? So, Robert Goldschmidt said that change should be sudden, but Darwin insisted on the gradual process.
3. Of course, these species aren’t direct ancestors of flatfishes, but they prove that transitive forms are viable.
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