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#276826 - 07/28/08 02:51 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Ray]
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Ray, I realise what Americans think is more important for your elections that what others think.

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#276836 - 07/28/08 06:01 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: aus22]
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America making friends and closer alliances in the world IS important though Ray, and for that to happen, the opinion of those in Berlin might actually be worth looking at. Perhaps Obama has more diplomatic skill than both Dubya or McCain.
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#276852 - 07/28/08 11:25 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Chocolategenii]
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CG, don't let Ol Ray, get to you. He knows that everybody is finding out how stupid he and the rest of the bushites were for buying into the bs Bush was feeding them and they ate every bit of it,lmao!

Ray knows the time is coming for Obama to win, but was so bad, that the people will not choose a Republican this year, and he might have ruined the Republicans for years to come (Hopefully).

Now it's just a matter of time when the people sweep Bush and those like him out with the rest of the trash come november ( I can't wait ).
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#276853 - 07/28/08 11:40 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: aus22]
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Originally by: aus22
Ray, I realise what Americans think is more important for your elections that what others think.

Not entirely. Those Americans who generally don't give a rap what the European on the street thinks of us are generally those who have a rather positive image of their own country. It is those who are basically ashamed of their country, who believe their country to be the root of all the world's evils, you know, the Blame America First crowd that is so wrapped up in whether or not other people particularly approved of us.

I might repeat a diplomatic aphorism: Countries don't have "friends." They have other countries with mutual interests."
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#276854 - 07/28/08 11:56 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Ray]
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Oh, well, in that case, Aus22, I'd surely advise John McCain not to run for office in Australia. Probably doesn't need to run for President of Europe, either. Which is quite a relief. I can't tell you how much sleep I lose knowing how popular Barrack Obama is in Berlin.

Please make an effort to reply to something the writer actually said, which was "Most people outside America are not Obama supporters."

The faulty response you give is that Obama is popular is Berlin. You have to actually read and make sense of the other person's post before framing a reply. Okay, in your case you don't have to make sense of it, but you do have to read it.

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#276867 - 07/28/08 02:01 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Sleek Phantom Mystic]
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Originally by: Sleek Phantom Mystic
CG, don't let Ol Ray, get to you.
Ray knows the time is coming for Obama to win, but was so bad, that the people will not choose a Republican this year, and he might have ruined the Republicans for years to come (Hopefully).
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Thank you Sleek! smile You gotta love Ray! wink

I was watching some conservative pundit over the week end... I think it was Laura Ingrams...(I can't remember...I was only listening to the program). She went on and on about Obama's lack of knowledge of Nazi controlled Germany! For conservatives like Coulter, Ingrams, Rush...(those who Ray associates himself with) it is important for Obama to know the difference between Nazi-controlled Germany and Nazi-controlled Poland, neither of which currently exist. However, it is not important for McCain to know the difference between Iran and Iraq, both of which currently exist.

Do I have their hypocrisy correct?

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#276905 - 07/28/08 06:45 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Chocolategenii]
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SPM wrote: CG, don't let Ol Ray, get to you. He knows that everybody is finding out how stupid he and the rest of the bushites were for buying into the bs Bush was feeding them and they ate every bit of it,lmao!
Ray, don't let SPM get to you...he is just demonstrating the colossal stupidity and ignorance of himself and the rest of the Liberal Left.

Gee...I wonder how long before the complaints about personal attacks start pouring in...
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#276906 - 07/28/08 06:48 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Lawmage]
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CG, pretty much...the Conservative pundits like Rush and Ingram are generally pretty hypocritical. Of course, I wonder if you will similarly concede the hypocritical nature of the likes of Franken and Olberman?
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#276915 - 07/28/08 09:10 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Dax]
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Thanks Dax when I said that
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Most people outside America are not Obama supporters."

I was simply saying that while we prefer Obama to Bush and Mc Cann, few of us would vote for any current canidate for the American President. Obama like most Americans support no real gun control and capital punishment both of which most non Americans do not accept.
Even Obama heath care policy is far short of the universal medical care schemes in most other developed countries.

We are not trying to impose our values on you. All we are saying it would be better that you move a little in our direction by voting for a Democrat. We will still fight you on these and other issues but at least there will be more understanding and some interest in issues like Climate Change which is our main issue here. I have not heard anything about it from any candidates but I suspect the Democrats policy is closer to ours. Here we need co-operation.

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#276933 - 07/28/08 11:23 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Lawmage]
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I wonder if you will similarly concede the hypocritical nature of the likes of Franken and Olberman?

Actually, it's a far lot harder to find examples of hypocrisy revolving around the likes of Franken and Olbermann than it is, say, someone like Rush(who's fact checking over the years has been stunningly horrendous) and Laura Ingram. Rush flat out lies when it comes to presenting his arguments. Evidence of this is everywhere you search. About the only example of Franken hypocrisy one can turn up is how his corporation got fined $25k for a workman's comp issue in Minnesota. Even in that instance, I'm not sure one can carry a good case for hypocrisy in that the company admitted they were wrong in the situation and paid their dues.

I listen to conservative radio nearly every day I'm in the car. Boston has a great conservative FM talk radio station which carries Jay Severin in the afternoons and I highly recommend it(you can stream it at wtkk.com). This is conservative talk that I can at least respect, something that people would be hard pressed to say about someone like Rush or Ingrim. While I disagree with the guy more than anything, he makes great points critiquing both the republicans and democrats(more dem's than anything) and his show doesn't revolve around the sensationalist bullshit that people like Rush and Laura Ingrim excels at.
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