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#276698 - 07/26/08 11:57 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: aus22]
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Are non-US citizens hoping that Obama will win or the McCain won't win?

I cannot, in all good conscience, vote for McCain. On the other hand, I do not believe Mr. Obama, if elected, will be able to achieve much, if any, of what he says he wants to achieve. How can he, personally, tear down walls? How can his rhetoric solve the world's hunger by any appreciable percentage? He's an idealist, which I admire. Idealism can bring about change, hopefully for the better. But Mr. Obama, if elected, will be faced with much more than what skilled demagoguery can solve. And it'll start with Congress.

He's, if elected, going to have to knuckle down and come up with 'answers' that the majority of Congress (first) and the majority of the world (next) find agreeable and feasible.

It's hoped that he'll be able to do so. A lot of it will depend on his coterie of advisors, about whom we know little or nothing.
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#276742 - 07/27/08 12:30 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: lizbeth]
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Are non-US citizens hoping that Obama will win or the McCain won't win?


I'll be honest: At this moment in time, I couldn't care less who win the Presidential Election in November. Britain has so many issues of her own at the moment, what is more important to me is what the British government is doing (imploding, as it happens). The Presidential race is just a sideshow.
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#276749 - 07/27/08 01:37 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: jackdiddley]
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That cute little piece generated by Fox News (Ray posted the attempt at satire on A Child Appeared in the Wilderness) is without merit. Among the quasi religious sounding script that mocks, actually mocks, Christ and some of the most spiritual moments in his life, there are nasty little barbs aimed right at Obama. This isn't failed satire, it is a desperate attempt to mock a candidate who just did what George Bush hasn't been able to do in six years, go to a foreign country not be burned in effigy. There is another irony, seeing Europeans applaud an American and wave, with respect, does seem miraculous.
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#276750 - 07/27/08 01:40 PM Re: A Child Appeared in the Wilderness [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Gosh! Such venom! Such a pucker! I'm reminded of the words of a well-known political pundit whose humor is also regularly attacked by Cleopatra's asp:

Quote:
You always know you've struck gold when liberals react with hysteria and rage to something you've said...Liberals haven't been this worked up since Rev. Jerry Falwell criticized a cartoon sponge. -- Ann Coulter

Gerard Baker must have struck gold.
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#276753 - 07/27/08 01:52 PM Re: A Child Appeared in the Wilderness [Re: Ray]
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Gerard Baker must have struck gold.


Gerad Baker, one of the top men working for Rupert Murdoch, the owner of FOX NEWS. Now we have a video narrated by the author, with visuals created by a FOX executive. We also find out that the newspaper was the Times of London, think New York Post....

Working your soul for the devil pays a high dividend. What more can I tell you?
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#276754 - 07/27/08 01:56 PM Re: A Child Appeared in the Wilderness [Re: Chocolategenii]
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. o O (Damn! I must have struck gold, too.)
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#276756 - 07/27/08 02:01 PM The Problems With Striking Gold [Re: Ray]
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Watch out, a black widow might get you... :smirk: (not to be confused with an asp)



Edited by Chocolategenii (07/27/08 02:08 PM)
Edit Reason: title correction..
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#276773 - 07/27/08 06:29 PM Re: A Child Appeared in the Wilderness [Re: Ray]
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Originally by: Ray
. o O (Damn! I must have struck gold, too.)

It's false to say that because people scream loudly or yell about certain ideas, you have "struck gold." The only "gold" you have struck is the delight you have in overlaying the text messages here with an emotional tenor they may or may not have.

As such, it's not only an unsupportable argument, but a dishonest one.

While some posts are written and can be read in anger, others are not, and you do a disservice to the writer when you interpret it incorrectly in order to lend support to your own wrong ideas.

As I've pointed out here so often it bores even me to repeat it, any C list actor can take a post and read it a dozen different ways. So, as stated earlier, the "gold" argument fails.

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#276784 - 07/27/08 08:43 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Ray]
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Ray, the arguement that America " largest in time of calamity' makes the mistakes of its government worthwhile is like saying the rich are not greedy because they give more to the poor than the middle class.

Of cause the richest country in the world gives more to calamities.

the real problem is that people outside the USA think differenty. Our local newspaper ONLY 8% of Germans and British support Mc Cann.
This does not mean he should not be elected by Americans who alone have the right to vote.
It just means that co-operation will be easier with a Democrat President.Most people outside America are not Obama supporters. Even he is too right wing for us.But at least he is closer to our position than Bush or Mc Cann

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#276793 - 07/27/08 09:31 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: aus22]
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Oh, well, in that case, Aus22, I'd surely advise John McCain not to run for office in Australia. Probably doesn't need to run for President of Europe, either. Which is quite a relief. I can't tell you how much sleep I lose knowing how popular Barrack Obama is in Berlin.
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