Announcements
Sponsors
Good Stuff
Shout Box

Who's Online
2 Registered (Elena, lizbeth), 81 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Photo Gallery
2005 Suzuki C50 Boulevard
SKS
My baby part duex
Nature
Michigan Lighthouses and Shoreline Images
My new baby
Flower Power
The March of the Geese
Ireland 2008 pt. 3
Ireland 2008 pt. 2
Ireland 2008 pt.. 1
Local Elected "Honest" Politician.
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >
New Reply
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
Hop to:
#276632 - 07/25/08 11:14 PM Obama's German Field Trip
Chocolategenii Offline
Domestic Affairs Moderator

Registered: 10/03/06
Loc: California
If we could put aside our political and partisan biases (..I know, I know, its difficult to do), we should objectively look as to the "reasons" why 200,000 Germans, in the hot July heat, would stand and listen to a guy speaking in English, representing a country that has been at political odds with them for almost a decade.

Why would that be; what makes these folks anxious to see world policies change; why do European polls favor so much a fervert desire to see the American administration take a different course ?

We can dig in our heels and state.."Who cares about the Germans, the French, the Brits, the Italians; the Spaniards..", but we should know better.
_________________________
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really ONE."
Lakota leader Black Elk

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276635 - 07/26/08 12:37 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Chocolategenii]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
I'm not at all surprised that Barack Obama would receive a warm reception in Europe. By and large Western Europeans are politically to the left of the United States, generally speaking.

I notice the one time when Obama started calling on Germany to contribute a little more to help the United States, i.e. help rebuild Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan his audience got really, really quiet. One might extrapolate that Obama the idealistic candidate is more popular with Germans than an Obama the president who might actually expect the Germans to do something useful to assist the United States.

But on the other hand, the not-so-helpful Schröder government was tossed out in favor of the much-friendlier-to-the-US Merkle government. So maybe things might work out after all.
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276637 - 07/26/08 01:08 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Ray]
lizbeth Online
veteran member

Registered: 11/29/06
Loc: PNW
I was waiting for you to bring this up, CG. I would have if you hadn't. But I have a slightly different slant on it.

First of all, Obama is not the President of the United States. Should he be giving a speech saying, in effect, we should tear down the walls that divide us as 'peaceful' nations?

As a candidate, has he any need to explain his platform to non-voters in a foreign country--or is he being presumptuous--assuming that no one in her/his right mind would vote for McCain and so he can speak as a president before the election?

Somehow, that just doesn't seem 'right' to me.
_________________________
Tomorrow's just your future yesterday. Craig Ferguson

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276641 - 07/26/08 01:38 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: lizbeth]
Bad Bird Offline
experienced member

Registered: 02/17/08
Loc: WA, USA
Originally by: lizbeth
As a candidate, has he any need to explain his platform to non-voters in a foreign country--or is he being presumptuous--assuming that no one in her/his right mind would vote for McCain and so he can speak as a president before the election?

For a little different slant: Suppose that he was explaining his platform to foreign countries so that the American voters could get a sense of how the rest of the world would react to him in the event that he does get elected President. I think that this is something that we should be aware of and hence a good thing. It follows that the other candidates should follow in his footsteps so we can better gauge how our European friends would react to them and the international aspects of their platforms.
_________________________
Bad Bird


Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276644 - 07/26/08 05:30 AM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Ray]
Myrddin Offline
Sci/Tech Mod


Registered: 01/17/04
Loc: Earth, Solar System, Milky Way
US politics affects the World, so of course they are interested in the man. As for Europeans being more "left" than Americans, that's only relatively speaking, because the US has less of an emphasis on social justice and as become saturated with corporatism.

Most Europeans would be more willing to help in Afghanistan than in Iraq, which is seen as a mess that the US created for itself.

It would be interesting to see what the same audience would make of McCain.
_________________________
In varietate concordia - EU motto

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.
- Carl Sagan

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276657 - 07/26/08 01:27 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: lizbeth]
Chocolategenii Offline
Domestic Affairs Moderator

Registered: 10/03/06
Loc: California
Originally by: lizbeth
I was waiting for you to bring this up, CG. I would have if you hadn't. But I have a slightly different slant on it.

First of all, Obama is not the President of the United States. Should he be giving a speech saying, in effect, we should tear down the walls that divide us as 'peaceful' nations?

As a candidate, has he any need to explain his platform to non-voters in a foreign country--or is he being presumptuous--assuming that no one in her/his right mind would vote for McCain and so he can speak as a president before the election?

Somehow, that just doesn't seem 'right' to me.


Compared to McCain's recent trip to Columbia (who of course is not President of the United States) I would say Obama dazzled his audience.

The irony is...that Gerald Baker isn't from the United States either, but we must listen to him while he ridicules Barak Obama.

See Ray's A Child Appears In The Wilderness Piece:

http://tinyurl.com/55d5th
_________________________
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really ONE."
Lakota leader Black Elk

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276669 - 07/26/08 06:08 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: lizbeth]
Sleek Phantom Mystic Offline
experienced member

Registered: 10/02/07
Loc: United States
McCain went to Iraq and Afghanistan before the election so what's the difference.

Check this out : http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080726/Obama/
_________________________
Sleek Phantom Mystic

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276673 - 07/26/08 06:25 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Sleek Phantom Mystic]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: Sleek Phantom Mystic
Check this out

Why?
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276682 - 07/26/08 09:09 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: Myrddin]
aus22 Offline
veteran member

Registered: 11/19/01
Loc: Melbourne. Australia
It is not just Europe but as far away as australia that are hoping that Obama will win. Sure we are a liitle left of both parties in the USA. Is this not a reason why the USA should move a little left to the democrats.Surely this is better to going it alone as the last extreme right wing government in the developed world

USA government mistakes still effect the rest of the world.


Edited by aus22 (07/26/08 09:11 PM)

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
#276692 - 07/26/08 10:29 PM Re: Obama's German Field Trip [Re: aus22]
Ray Global Moderator Offline
TM Chairman of the Board


Registered: 09/22/00
Loc: Arkansas, USA
Originally by: aus22
USA government mistakes still effect the rest of the world.

...as does our largess during times of calamity.
_________________________
Debating the Political Left or Speaking Truth to Kooks!

Top Reply Quote Quick Reply Quick Quote
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >

Quick Reply:
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is disabled




Moderator:  Aint 
Town Meeting
Our American Leaders 2000-2008
by lizbeth
2 seconds ago
Retired General Looks Back on Russia
by Elena
52 minutes 36 seconds ago
A Radical Tax Reform Idea.
by stone
Today at 01:02 AM
Wal-Mart Sued By Kin Of Trampled Guard
by Chocolategenii
Today at 12:29 AM
GM's $18b Bailout
by Bad Bird
Today at 12:25 AM
Terror In India
by Chocolategenii
Yesterday at 11:31 PM
US-Africa Policy
by Aint
Yesterday at 05:17 PM
The Gas Price Update
by dreamer
12/03/08 08:36 PM
Paul Robeson--Villian or Victim?
by lizbeth
12/03/08 07:42 PM
GM Bailout
by Chocolategenii
12/03/08 02:21 PM
Office Of The President Elect
by Lawmage
12/02/08 05:42 PM
The US/India Nuclear Law
by Lawmage
12/01/08 06:57 AM
De-Regulation 'fights' Racism.
by aus22
11/29/08 06:45 PM
Black President? No Way!
by Aint
11/28/08 11:23 AM
Thanksgiving!
by jokul
11/27/08 07:31 PM
Is Palin now a Rogue?
by Chocolategenii
11/25/08 09:47 PM
Depression
by ExSoccerMom
11/25/08 07:22 PM
A Page From History
by Lawmage
11/24/08 06:41 AM
President-Elect Barak Obama
by Lawmage
11/24/08 06:36 AM
12 WeeK-Old Fetus Walks, Rubs Eyes
by Anonymous
11/23/08 11:17 PM
Science and Technology
Hand Guns for Women
by stone
Yesterday at 11:40 PM
Oxycodone
by Grams
12/03/08 04:25 PM
How did Mayans precisley predict their destruction of the civilization?
by Dax
12/03/08 02:04 PM
Does this worry you and is this true?
by Dax
12/03/08 01:57 PM
Something woke me up in the middle of the night! It was looking at me!
by FaithfulKisses
12/02/08 12:18 PM
Favorite Fool Moon Recipes
by Chocolategenii
11/30/08 01:42 PM
Whack The Penguin -- The Sequel!
by Anonymous
11/29/08 10:34 AM
Wrath Of The Lich King
by Aint
11/28/08 11:34 AM
BEWARE OF THE COMING FOOD APOCALYPSE !
by Grams
11/27/08 06:45 PM
Earth Day
by Cy_Click
11/23/08 10:28 PM
Mole/Warts is potassium the Answer?
by Chocolategenii
11/23/08 03:46 PM
Un-official.. yet we all deal with it!
by Chocolategenii
11/21/08 11:39 PM
Can you relate?
NCAA Football 2008
by Sleek Phantom Mystic
Yesterday at 10:35 AM
NFL - You Pick
by Sleek Phantom Mystic
Yesterday at 10:31 AM
Foolmoon Fantasy Football III
by jackdiddley
Yesterday at 09:58 AM
The one sentence story
by lizbeth
12/03/08 07:59 PM
Repetitive numbers all day - is someone telling us something?
by Dave V
12/03/08 05:29 PM
The Three-Word Story
by Charlotte
12/03/08 05:24 PM
Blank Spaces
by WakeHolden
11/30/08 06:10 PM
Your Pet Hamster
by Kellycakes
11/30/08 12:51 AM
The Day You Found Foolmoon
by Ray
11/28/08 04:01 PM
Miss Fool Moon USA
by WakeHolden
11/28/08 05:29 AM
The rant, whine, complain and gripe thread.
by LilMeep
11/27/08 12:30 AM
How to Convince a Girl That I Love Her More Than Others Do?
by Be Simple
11/23/08 11:51 PM
Fool Moon Fantasy NASCAR 2008 (Ford 400)
by Blizzard
11/23/08 11:07 PM
How do you know you truly love someone?
by The Wanderer
11/23/08 03:05 AM
I've got some information guys! I think you might be intrerested!
by World_HQ_Man
11/21/08 01:09 PM
Just for a laugh.....
by shedoni
11/21/08 09:12 AM
Will the CERN particle collider destroy the planet?
by Anonymous
11/19/08 03:10 PM
Wear the silver foil, for the love of all that's holy!
by Anonymous
11/19/08 03:06 PM
Elvis impersonators (Elvii) may takeover planet by 2020
by WakeHolden
11/19/08 02:41 PM
I think I might be paranoid
by Anonymous
11/18/08 03:21 PM
Nudity or no nudity?
by World_HQ_Man
11/18/08 03:08 PM
What are you reading?
by lizbeth
11/17/08 11:55 PM
Georga Anne Marie is born
by bob
11/17/08 06:08 PM
Fool Moon Fantasy NASCAR 2008 Standings
by deifan
11/17/08 02:14 PM
Chupacabras, Mexican Reptilians in Disguise
by WakeHolden
11/16/08 10:54 PM
Faith and Philosophy
The five solas #3: Sola Gratia
by lizbeth
58 minutes 59 seconds ago
Sons and Daughters of the Creator
by WakeHolden
Yesterday at 11:58 PM
Zodiac
by Lees
12/03/08 06:54 PM
Jesus' Kingdom--where is it??
by Lees
12/01/08 09:34 PM
The five solas #2: Sola Fide
by Tobias
11/29/08 12:21 PM
"Becoming" unsaved...
by DCInC
11/25/08 01:35 AM
Tobias and Satanism
by DCInC
11/24/08 01:57 AM
The Difference Between the Creator and God
by Grams
11/21/08 09:15 AM
'Feast of Tabernacles - 2008
by DCInC
11/21/08 12:36 AM
Being called to the Ministry..
by DCInC
11/20/08 02:26 AM
The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura
by Grams
11/18/08 07:11 AM
Back page of our church paper
by DixieNurse
11/17/08 11:07 PM
Be transformed
by safford13
11/17/08 01:34 PM
Samhain
by DixieNurse
11/16/08 02:53 PM
Bible Verse Abc's
by DixieNurse
11/16/08 01:31 AM
Forum Stats
8536 Members
35 Forums
11634 Topics
243098 Posts

Max Online: 2631 @ 03/18/08 12:30 AM