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#276383 - 07/23/08 04:34 PM Karma in Washington!
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Could it be a karmic retribution for assisting with outing a NOC agent?

Robert Novak is caught in a "hit and run" accident in while driving around DC.
"He's not dead, that's the main thing", said Novak after good samaritans blocked his further efforts from escaping until police arrived.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11985.html
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#276387 - 07/23/08 06:11 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Unless you believe that New Orleans was destroyed because they were going to have a gay parade, you cannot attribute this incident to karma.

And sadly, it involves injury to an innocent person. But as far as Novak ia concerned, retribution, karma, who cares? Whoopee!

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#276388 - 07/23/08 06:15 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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how can you 'not see him'

when.. "Bono said "a black Corvette convertible with top closed plows into the guy. The guy is sort of splayed into the windshield.

I'm guessing here... that the body, 'splayed' on the windshield would be a big clue as to something being amiss..

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#276396 - 07/23/08 07:53 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: wanderingspryte]
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It's okay, the President will pardon him.

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#276397 - 07/23/08 08:18 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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I suspect there's a lot less to this story than meets the eye.
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#276399 - 07/23/08 09:04 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Ray]
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Don't tell us he was out practicing his "aggressive driving skills"?
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#276439 - 07/24/08 09:31 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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i am thinking Ray has the right of this one...novak was cited for failing to yield the right of way...not for hit and run. The pedestrian was treated and release for minor injuries. Novak was cited at the scene and released. I am thinking the witness may well be embellishing his story quite a bit and the Politico is running with a story that will appeal to its target audience. In short...much ado about almost nothing. Not nearly as juicy as Cheney shooting a hunting partner.
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#276465 - 07/24/08 01:42 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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Weird? Novak hits a guy and runs.... obviously he was at fault because he failed to yield the right of way. He is released after the police question him for about an hour or so...? They don't even administer a sobriety test! I guess only Washington big shots like Novak and Kennedy get off this light?

The latest update: Politico obviously forgot to report the seriousness of the pedestrian's condition.

The pedestrian who was struck by prominent Washington columnist and commentator Robert Novak is in worse shape than first thought, a hospital source tells ABC 7 News.

The victim, 66-year-old Don Lilkinquist, appeared somewhat incoherent, according to a source at the scene. Lilkinquist also appeared to have casts on his neck and back and was later X-rayed. The source said a surgical team planned to evaluate him.

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#276468 - 07/24/08 02:03 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Hmmm! Sounds like the John Edwards personal injury shysters have arrived on the scene.
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#276476 - 07/24/08 02:59 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: wanderingspryte]
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Originally by: wanderingspryte
how can you 'not see him'

when.. "Bono said "a black Corvette convertible with top closed plows into the guy. The guy is sort of splayed into the windshield.

I'm guessing here... that the body, 'splayed' on the windshield would be a big clue as to something being amiss..



Ray, maybe so, the cyclist is an attorney. grin

WS,I speculate that Novak was drunk, rather than such an S.O.B. that he hit a pedestrian and just didn't care. And while I'm speculating, it also pleases me to speculate that Novak had just stumbled drunkenly out of the Camelot Showbar before getting into his Corvette and flooring it up 18th Street at rush hour.
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#276484 - 07/24/08 04:18 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Here is the thing...how many beat cops in Dc know Novak on site and are motivated to let him go on that basis? How many patrol sergeants know Novak on sight and are willing to instruct a beat cop to let him go? As I said earlier, I very strongly suspect the Politico is making far more of this story than there really is in an effort to cater to their target audience. Believe it or not, being famous or semi-famous is not nearly the ticket to freedom some people would have you believe.
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#276488 - 07/24/08 04:47 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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Here is the thing...how often do you think sober drivers "clip" pedestrians and don't notice? Heck, how often do you think sober drivers hit anything, even a squirrel or something tiny like that, and don't notice?
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#276566 - 07/25/08 11:20 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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In Mr. Novak's defense, I say that if he was blind drunk, speeding, and listening to some really loud Christian rock on his satellite radio, he might not have noticed a body splayed across his hood, and would have just kept driving normally.

His statement that at least his victim didn't die also goes to show that he is caring and compassionate.

Now will you liberals kindly get off his back and stop making such a big deal over a little hit and run that only injured one person? Where's your humanity when it comes to Novak?

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#276677 - 07/26/08 07:41 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Dax]
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Nice, DAx, but the thing is you assume facts not in evidence...Novak was NOT cited for hit and run. He was cited for failure to yield right of way. The only "splayed on the wind shield" claim comes from the supposed witness. Dax, surely you know that eyewitness testimony is not always the most reliable. The point is, you assume without question that Bono's story is 100 percent accurate when that may very well not be the case. Indeed, it is rather likely not the case given the police decision to cite Novak only with failure to yield and not drunk driving, hit and run, being a semi-conservative columnist, or the other things you guys seem to be accusing him of...

Why not wait until the story is out there...Perhaps after the victim himself issues a statement.
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#276700 - 07/27/08 12:08 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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Bono seems to have wanted his 15 minutes of recognition, 'tis true. But Novak's arrogance was rather appalling.
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#276702 - 07/27/08 12:13 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: lizbeth]
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Which display of arrogance would hat be, Liz? I think the "at least he is not dead: reference has been taken well out of context. It was rather similar to a "thank god no one died" reference after a close call...The nastiness attributed to it is unfounded.
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#276709 - 07/27/08 12:54 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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This arrogance, Law,


Quote:

Novak, 77, has earned a reputation around the capital as an aggressive driver, easily identified in his convertible sports car.

In 2001, he cursed at a pedestrian on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue and 13th streets Northwest for allegedly jaywalking.

“’Learn to read the signs, [bodily orifice]!’ Novak snapped before speeding away,” according to an item in The Washington Post’s Reliable Source column.

Novak explained to the paper: "He was crossing on the red light. I really hate jaywalkers. I despise them. Since I don't run the country, all I can do is yell at 'em. The other option is to run 'em over, but as a compassionate conservative, I would never do that."


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#276719 - 07/27/08 08:42 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: lizbeth]
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Is Novak still a "compassionate conservative"?
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#276722 - 07/27/08 09:40 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Myrddin]
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Drunk or sober, compassionate or nasty, driving slowly or quickly, guilty or not guilty, he's still a putz.

Nothing will ever change that.

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#276731 - 07/27/08 10:55 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: lizbeth]
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Originally by: lizbeth
This arrogance, Law,
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Novak explained to the paper: "He was crossing on the red light. I really hate jaywalkers. I despise them. Since I don't run the country, all I can do is yell at 'em. The other option is to run 'em over, but as a compassionate conservative, I would never do that."

Lawmage is right. Sarcasm can be difficult to translate in printed form. I'll bet you dashed off an indignant letter to the editor after you first read "A Modest Proposal."

Quote:
"Learn to read the signs, asshole!" Novak snapped before speeding away...

Oh come on, Lizbeth. Admit it! How many hundreds of times have you heard other motorists shouting this at you?
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#276736 - 07/27/08 11:57 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Ray]
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Road rage is never pleasant, and cannot be looked upon as something positive or good, and cannot be excused even when dealing with such a noble and honorable person as Mr. Novak.

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#276739 - 07/27/08 12:12 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Dax]
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Originally by: Dax
Road rage is never pleasant, and cannot be looked upon as something positive or good, and cannot be excused even when dealing with such a noble and honorable person as Mr. Novak.

Oh, I see. You've determined this was not just a hit-and-run, but aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (e.g. a vehicle) which somehow escaped the notice of the officers on the scene. Well in that case, never mind.


Whoops! There I go again with the
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#276767 - 07/27/08 05:51 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Ray]
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Novak is guilty of failure to yield and driving while conservative...the second charge is far more serious here at Fool Moon.
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#276768 - 07/27/08 06:10 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Ray]
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Originally by: Ray
Originally by: Dax
Road rage is never pleasant, and cannot be looked upon as something positive or good, and cannot be excused even when dealing with such a noble and honorable person as Mr. Novak.

Oh, I see. You've determined this was not just a hit-and-run, but aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (e.g. a vehicle) which somehow escaped the notice of the officers on the scene. Well in that case, never mind.


Whoops! There I go again with the

No, I was not referring to the hit and run, the "road rage" refers to his yelling at a jaywalker to "read the signs, asshole." I have no way of knowing if he was angry or not when he hit the pedestrian, but he seems like the kind of guy who is always angry about everything, so there's a liklihood he wasn't singing "Pleasant Valley Sunday" as he steered his vehicle into the path of a pedestrian asshole.

Kindly be less eager to find things that don't exist to use against me, if you possibly can, which is doubtful, but do try.

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#276769 - 07/27/08 06:14 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Novak is guilty of failure to yield and driving while conservative...the second charge is far more serious here at Fool Moon.

It's more that people enjoy seeing a person Jon Stewart refers to as a "political douchebag" getting a little of what goes around. Novak escaped all harm in the Valerie Plame incident while acting as a propaganda agent for the administration. This piddly little hit and run is nothing compared to what he deserves.

A "failure to yield" that put his victim in the hospital, and for which he didn't stop.

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#276772 - 07/27/08 06:29 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Dax]
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Ahh...and the real motivation for this attack on Novak comes out. Dax and his fellow travellers do not give a shit about this traffic accident...they only care about taking down a semi-conservative who did not join their efforts to attack the Bush administration. Its good to see that Dax et al can maintain their focus at least...
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#276776 - 07/27/08 06:41 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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No question about it. I don't care much at all about the traffic accident except that an innocent person suffered apparently serious injuries requiring hospitalization. We often tend to overlook the victim in these discussions, a real person suffering real pain.

I'm against all hit and run drivers, of course, and all drivers who fail to yield as well, but this particular driver is as I have earlier named him, and you have not denied, a propaganda tool of the administration posing as a columnist.

But my feeling towards Novak is similar to the delight felt by the right when Ted Kennedy's drunken accident killed Mary Jo Kopechne. The more trouble that can be visited upon Novak as a result of this incident, the better I feel about it.

He can't receive worse than he deserves, it's not possible.

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#276778 - 07/27/08 07:38 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Dax]
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As it turns out... Novak will most likely be getting a break, because he collided with a nice guy of 86 years old. "Bob Novak is the one that hit me? Well, everybody knows who Bob Novak is! He's a famous journalist! . . . I was struck by Bob Novak? . . . Well, I think that makes it a great story!" said the homeless Don Clifford Liljenquest.
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#276780 - 07/27/08 08:22 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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He won't be homeless for long.

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#276783 - 07/27/08 08:34 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Dax]
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So, Dax, are you against all journalists who are propaganda tools or only those who you think are tools for Bush? If its the former you must be ready to crucify 99% of press...Dax, you are a hypocrit. Plain and simple. I do not seem to recall, though is possible I missed it, you condemning those who shamelessly propagandize for the Left...
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#276833 - 07/28/08 05:43 AM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Lawmage]
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Who are the "Left"?
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#276859 - 07/28/08 12:11 PM Re: Karma in Washington! [Re: Myrddin]
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I certainly know journalists who have a left wing bias, but I don't know of any who took talking points directly from the White House and used them on radio and television as if they were their own conclusions.

I don't know anyone who waterboys for the Dems the way Rush and the Fox Gang does for the right. If you point out people of similar influence on the left who do similar things, I'm open to investigating.

Give examples though, of Dem talking points "parroted" by the lefties as right wing tp's are parrotted by the right.

And if you do it before you ask me to give specific examples of right wing parrots, I'll give fewer of them than if you insist I do it before you deign to answer.

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#276878 - 07/28/08 02:57 PM Robert Novak Diagnosed With Brain Tumor! [Re: Dax]