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#277725 - 08/05/08 07:52 PM Re: The Making Of A Terrorist [Re: Ray]
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It'll turn out to be true like everything else that's corrupt about this administration. When stuff like this becomes public, imagine the stuff that's still secret.

Tenet takes the coward's way out by saying he "doesn't recall" such a letter. He doesn't deny it, he simply doesn't remember it, this medal of freedom recipient.

Truly the Bush administration can't seem to remember where their balls are.


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#277738 - 08/05/08 11:16 PM Re: The Making Of A Terrorist [Re: Dax]
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The Germany-Korea argument falls apart because we are there with the permission and cooperation of the governments of the countries in question.

If the German government, or the government of S. Korea asked us to leave, we would.

The same doesn't hold true for Iraq.


Not exactly, Dax. Were we in Germany and Japan with the permission of their governments five years after the start of World War II? When did we transition to something other than an Army of Occupation?

As for your claim about leaving...Any proof? At the moment, the Iraqi government has NOT asked to to leave. Indeed, it has said while it wants us to leave eventually it DOES NOT want us to leave right now. A great many Iraqis echo that sentiment.

While you did not out and out lie, DAx, you most certainly distorted the truth into an unrecognizable facsimile of itself...
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#277746 - 08/06/08 12:52 AM Re: The Making Of A Terrorist [Re: Lawmage]
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Any suggestion that the allies are not making secret deal with elements outside the government of Iraq is shown to be false by the report about the Battle of Basra.

Britain made a secret deal withy the al-Mahdi millitants to remove their forces to the airport As a result of this the British watched on the sidelines for six days while an Iranian back group attacked an American and iraq force. 60 Iraqis and a US marine were killed.

This is just one of many secret deals. It does not matter if the goverment wants you stay,if you appointed them of course they will, if the majority of the people want you to leave you must leave.

This has already happen in Australia , the Philippines and Saudi Arabia will soon happen in Korea and Iraq.


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#277771 - 08/06/08 09:58 AM Re: The Making Of A Terrorist [Re: Lawmage]
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Lawmage: Not exactly, Dax. Were we in Germany and Japan with the permission of their governments five years after the start of World War II? When did we transition to something other than an Army of Occupation?

We conquered the countries you mentioned, so there was no need for governmental permission to "occupy" them. A vanquished government hasn't got much say about who will be staying in their country.

Both "axis powers" transitioned into peaceful co-existence with the US, and, as always happens when we conquer a country, became our allies and trading partners.

In S. Korea, we fought on their side against the Norks, got them to a stalemate, and stayed. It would be foolish to think that the S. Koreans didn't want us there at the time as protection against the north.

Iraq presents a different problem, since they didn't attack us, declare war on us, or threaten us. We basically put ourselves there. We aren't there because we vanquished an enemy, since Iraq was not our enemy in any effective way.

And as the entire Iraq invasion and subsequent battles were based on very little except false information, faulty information, cooked up information, and outright lies, in fact was based on nothing more than the President's desire to invade Iraq, the comparison with Germany, Japan and S. Korea fails.

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#277790 - 08/06/08 12:37 PM Re: The Making Of A Terrorist [Re: Lawmage]
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Registered: 10/03/06
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Originally by: Lawmage
Indeed. Israeli anger is also understandable.


Few people are aware what really occured in l972 in Munich. It was one of the earliest Arab terrorist attacks on Israel. That small group of Israelis marched proudly behind its Star of David flag in Munich, just a few miles away from Dachau, an infamous concentration camp where at another time Hitler tortured people, many of them Jews. There was so much good will in 1972, not only from the German population, but from the entire world. Then on the 11th day of the Olympics 11 Israelis were murdered.

This happens when hatred is stronger than tolerance and understanding.
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