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#276477 - 07/24/08 03:17 PM
Re: The Making Of A Terrorist
[Re: Dax]
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Defining the cause of terrorism in terms of the poor, ill fed and clothed, etc. may not be entirely accurate. It is true that terrorism and revolution are often led by the upper middle class, as Lawmage pointed out, and that the teeming poverty stricken masses in countries such as India or Bangladesh do not seem to have spawned terrorism. The poverty stricken masses can be useful pawns, however, when led by the upper middle class intelligentsia. (see Russian and French revolutions, and the last three Chinese attempted and actual revolutions. The first Chinese revolution is interesting in that it was a rural peasant revolt that failed as a result of the government's brutal massacres in Nanking.)
I'm inclined to think that terrorism is a tool used by any 'class' that feels that their potential future power is being taken away--that their future happiness, as they define it, is in jeopardy.
Take, for example, the actions of the rich against their striking workers 100 +/- 50 years ago. One, of many, instances is calling in the Pinkertons to put down a strike (if I remember correctly at a coal-mine in Colorado) by raiding their tent city and throwing buckets of water on the strikers' families in sub-zero weather, leaving them to freeze to death.
Terrorism of the mid and lower classes by the rich and powerful is a response to a perception that their power may be slipping away rather than growing in accordance with their plans.
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#276697 - 07/26/08 11:44 PM
Re: The Making Of A Terrorist
[Re: Lawmage]
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Contrast those examples with the teeming poverty stricken masses in India or Bangladesh. We see almost no terrorism spawned from those demographics. This isn't in contradiction to Lawmage's general message regarding terrorism being more of a middle-class phenomenon rather than a reaction to mass poverty, but: According to al-Jazeera ( http://tinyurl.com/blu6 ) there were 17 separate bombings yesterday in Ahmedabad India--resulting in 29 deaths--and 7 bombings the day before in Bangalore resulting in 2 deaths. Non-fatal casualties were very high as the bombs were shrapnel encased. During May, 8 bombs killed at least 63 people and injured hundreds more in Jaipur. Speculation is that these were Pakistan-based or Muslim vs Hindu, but who knows for sure. More important is the driving force behind them; international politics, religious intolerance, or something else? Without "--the teeming poverty stricken masses in India--" would this be occurring?
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#276798 - 07/27/08 10:17 PM
Re: The Making Of A Terrorist
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Update: The death toll was raised today to "at least 45 with 150 injured."
The practically unknown "Indian Mujahidin" took credit 5 min before the bombs went off, so they are the likely culprits. The reason given was "Await 5 minutes for the revenge of Gujarat", an apparent reference to riots in the western (Indian) state in 2002 which left at least 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, dead." So, as you hypothesized, religious friction would appear to be the driving force. However, the Gujarat riots are described as "communal riots" between Hindu and Muslim communities and the escalating rioting seems to be more the result of atrocities perpetrated by both sides: rather a "Martins and the Coys" feuding rather than an ideological confrontation. Terrorists versus terrorists?
I do suspect, however, that we will find that the bombers WERE members of the impoverished masses. The brains behind the bombings were likely NOT impoverished, just using the frustrations of the masses to do the dirty work for them. Isn't that the way it is usually done? (e.g., Osama bin Laden).
You are correct in saying that there is an upsurge of hope in India, but I'm not so sure that it extends to the masses having much hope for escaping poverty. The upper classes are doing quite well and things are getting even better for them. The hope of coming to US after getting a higher education (especially in the sciences) seems to be rampant, but it is realizable only for those whose families can afford that level of schooling for their children.
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