Hell no she's not kidding. Lefties are ashamed of their own country. They accuse their own country of being the cause of all the world's problems, while at the same time excusing terrorists as the righteous.

This is one of the reasons I feel little sympathy for the lefties who whine and cry about how awful America is. I hear Canada is just giddy at the thought of American ex-Patriots finding a new home. Hint, hint.

What the sam hill are you talking about?

How on earth did you extract anything about anyone "accusing their own country of being the cause of all the world's problems, while at the same time excusing terrorists as the righteous"? I saw no such thing.

That was damned weird, Ray.

Without the words "piss" "moan" "whine" "foam" "drool" and "jump up and down" you'd have no means of expressing yourself, would you?

And without pissing, moaning, whining, foaming, drooling and jumping up & down the far left would be stuck for ways to express their viewpoints.

Oh wait. I forgot about throwing food as their prime method of debating invited political pundits with whom they disagree.

. o O (A monkeys-in-the-zoo analogy comes to mind.)

Since when is an American territory not American soil? (your description, not mine)...

define success? ...or unsuccessful? I would call the car bomb in the WTO garage an terrorist attack on American soil. I would also call the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma a terrorist attack on American soil.

The evidence is before you, you can read it with your own eyes. I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen.

I don't recall ever having said that, CG. Law has defined military bases in other countries as being American soil--I think it was in a thread that briefly touched on whether or not McCain was a citizen, since he'd been born in Panama.

I agree that the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma was a terrorist attack--an attack by a domestic terrorist group. It didn't lead to an 'International War on Terrorism,' though. Nor does it have anything to do with a NWO.

Were the two attacks on the WTO in New York attacks against America or attacks against the World Trade Organization? In order to answer that, you have to know a bit about GATT (the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) which was replaced by the much stronger World Trade Organization. GATT, by the way, was created in 1947, the WTO was established in 1995.

If the attacks were against America, what was the motive? Yes, there were secondary suicide planes--the one that crashed into the Pentagon and the one that was suppossedly aimed at the White House. But the major objectives were the twin towers--the headquarters of the WTO.

On the other hand, the World Trade Organization just may be a part of the New World Order--an idea that has led to the United Nations and that emvisions a united world--a world ruled by a united government and united trade relations.

It's rather science fictiony, isn't it?

Sorry, Lizbeth, but given that the other targets were the Pentagon and (possibly) the White House, one must conclude that the target was America, and not the WTO. I suspect that the Twin Towers were targeted because they were in close proximity, offered an increase change of collapse if they suffered huge trauma, and thus the loss of life would be greater. THat is pure conjecture, of course.

As for the why...well, your guess is as good as mine.

Sorry, Liz...I did no such thing. American military bases in foreign countries are not typically American soil. I cannot off the top of my head think of any such base where the host nation has ceded sovereignty over the territory to the US. What I said in that thread was that US citizenship law defines those born abroad to US citizens as native born US citizens themselves. Please do not distort, misrepresent, or outright fabricate what I have allegedly said in order to support your own statements.

As for your issue...I think it is a manufactured one that exists only in your mind. The attacks of 9/11 were manifestly an attack on the United States and not an attack on the World Trade Organization. The statements of the attackers and their organization make that rather clear. Similarly, as Jack suggests, the target selection makes that abundantly clear. Consider...they struck the economic symbol of America. The struck the military symbol of America. And, they sought to strike the political symbol of America but failed when the passengers intervened.

I'm not disagreeing, Law, but isn't it interesting that the WTO is "the economic symbol of America" rather than an international symbol of World economics. Is that just in the the eyes of the International Terrorists, or is that an accurate reflection of how the world views our grip on the world economy (which, arguably, we may be losing)?