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#274767 - 07/08/08 12:16 PM Re: New World Order [Re: stone]
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Originally by: stone
Unenriched, low-grade uranium that is commonly traded for nuclear power generation. It hardly points to a nuclear weapons program.

Oh, of course not. It must have been for peaceful uses. Iran has peaceful nuclear programs, too. Nothing to worry about. Go back to sleep. sleep
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#274769 - 07/08/08 12:28 PM Re: New World Order [Re: Ray]
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Iran is as power hungry as the rest of us so it's not hard to imagine them wanting to build more nuclear power plants as it's a great source of electricity.

I won't put it past them that they would like to have a bomb as a deterrent against attack from the US or Israel but I'd be willing to bet that they're far less likely to use one preemptively than, say, a country like North Korea.

As for Iraq, they acquired their nuclear materials before 1991 and there was no evidence that he had an enrichment program, nor carried on his nuclear aspirations, after the first Gulf War.
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#274790 - 07/08/08 05:23 PM Re: New World Order [Re: lizbeth]
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Jack has said that the phrase brings up thoughts of "fascism, tyranny and oppression" in his mind. Cass seems to feel fear of elitism. Both men are British. We've had a Chinese man participate in the Forums who has also evidenced a 'fear' of America.


I'd like some clarification on this. My interpretation of the above passage is an implication that my thoughts of "fascism, tranny and oppression" when I think of a NWO are due to a fear of America. Was there that implication?

I have no fear of America. I do not fear any nation. It is possible that Dax's idea is correct, that the connection to Hitler and Nazis has a lot to do with those thoughts. It has nothing whatsoever to do with America, since until I read posts in this thread, I had no knowledge of statements made by Bush Senior on the topic of NWO.
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#274793 - 07/08/08 06:46 PM Re: New World Order [Re: lizbeth]
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I think the plan for a New World Order was set years and years ago, even before World War I.

Ibelieve that there are those that will has it's tentacles in every Government of this world, those who have the monetary to influence the powers within those governments. These people have their own agenda for this world, abd this has carried over generation to generation. But it's not those who you think. It's the people that walk in the shadows, and are alway's in the background.

There are forces in this world that wish to create this world in their image and to impose their vision on this world, whether they succeed or not is another story.
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#274803 - 07/08/08 08:21 PM Re: New World Order [Re: Ray]
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Originally by: Ray
Originally by: stone
Unenriched, low-grade uranium that is commonly traded for nuclear power generation. It hardly points to a nuclear weapons program.

Oh, of course not. It must have been for peaceful uses. Iran has peaceful nuclear programs, too. Nothing to worry about. Go back to sleep. sleep


As for what Saddam intended to do with that yellowcake, the fact that he just let it sit there after the reactor shut down in 1981 should tell you something. Do you believe anyone in the U.S. would have supported Bush's invasion of Iraq if his justification had been that while there was no nuclear program there, there was still some yellowcake uranium sitting around and maybe someday Saddam Hussein might do something naughty with it?

Tell me that if Bush had tried to justify the invasion of Iraq by saying, "Iraq doesn't have a nuclear program now, and hasn't for years. But dang it, there's some yellow-cake uranium at one of Iraq's abandoned nuclear reactors, and it could get into the wrong hands, so I want to go to war against Iraq and get thousands of U.S. troops killed, anyone but yahoos would have let him do it.

And only those yahoos will support an invasion of Iran...


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#274826 - 07/09/08 04:00 AM Re: New World Order [Re: jackdiddley]
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Make each sentence a paragraph and take out the word 'also' in the third sentence.

I never meant to imply that you were afraid of America, but I think many people are. I also think that the fear stems from interpretations of the phrase as well as how the actions of the US over the last 15 or so years have been interpreted.

America was never attacked on its own soil until 9/11/01. Britain was, however. As a result, we have no direct collective memory of fascism, tyranny and oppression. Britain was directly attacked by Germany which wanted to establish a NWO within Europe.

On 9/11, the US was attacked on its own soil by an amorphous group we immediately labeled 'terrorist.' But, at the time, what was the goal of those terrorists? Why were the Twin Towers targeted, as they had been previousy when a car bomb was set off in the underground garage. I've suggested before that the US may not have been targeted but that it was the WTO that had been targeted.

Why the WTO and not the UN? I believe it's because the WTO has more influence in 'changing' the world than does the UN.
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#274831 - 07/09/08 05:02 AM Re: New World Order [Re: lizbeth]
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Liz, I believe we were attacked by Japan in the 40's? Also, the first trade tower attacks qualify as an attack on our soil..you know the one in the 90's... The culprits are in prison.
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#274833 - 07/09/08 05:22 AM Re: New World Order [Re: Chocolategenii]
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CG, When Pearl Harbor was attacked, Hawaii wasn't a state. Pearl Harbor was a Naval base on a Pacific island.

Would you call the car bomb in the WTO garage an attack on the US or an unsuccessful attack on the WTO?

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#274837 - 07/09/08 07:56 AM Re: New World Order [Re: lizbeth]
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To be fair I do not wake up everyday wondering if the New World rules the earth or not,I think the answer is pretty clear.Lizbeth I had 2 sites saved that had Bill Clinton and Obama talking about the New World Order but them sites have been lost thanks to my wife,still love her though.

I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo&NR=1

Today Iran has fired 9 missiles which could hit Israel and some American bases in the middleast.I should be frightened but I am not because I believe the good people of the world are going to wake up before it's to late.Lizbeth don't you think it's funny that our mate Captain America does not want to share his views on this subject I wonder if it is because he believes in the New World Order?
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#274840 - 07/09/08 11:55 AM Re: New World Order [Re: lizbeth]
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Would you call the car bomb in the WTO garage an attack on the US or an unsuccessful attack on the WTO?


You're kidding, right?
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