This phrase was originally one of Woodrow Wilson's as he envisioned the League of Nations following WWI. It came up again following WWII and the creation of the United Nations and NATO. It arose again with Mikhail Gorbachev at the end of the Cold War. Finally, George H. W. Bush used it in a speech to the Joint Houses of Congress on 9/11/1990.

But what exactly does 'New World Order' mean? And what plans have been set in place that successfully achieve whatever your concept is of a 'new world order?'

The phrase "New World Order" always brings thoughts of fascism, tyranny and opression to my mind.

The problem is, I couldn't actually tell you why that is...

Probably because it was a phrase Hitler used often to describe what he envisioned after his conquest of Europe. A new world order (he said those words) along with the thousand year Reich.

So it makes you think of fascism because it was a phrase used by the Nazis.

Dax:

The question then is Dax,why American leaders like "Bill Clinton and Obama" use Nazi comments like New world order today.

It's because Obama is black! Black, I tell you! Black and clearly part of a Nazi master race conspiracy! Why, I bet he's the head man in charge. Think about it. A black man leading the Nazi 4th Reich! No one would suspect. Brilliant!

Well Cass, according to the New World Order Handbook, the phrase can have many different meanings. It can mean a nazi reich type world, or it can mean a world where only people who own oil have any money, or it can mean a world where cute singing animals dance happily alongside you as you traipse through the woods.

Other than that, I have no idea why they used the phrase. It's a really stupid phrase to use, like talking about an "American Reich" Maybe they think we've forgotten, or never knew, or were too stupid to remember the original meaning, but we haven't forgotten, we do know, and we're not stupid.

Now serving #28, since Ray has been on #27 since 2002.

I asked the question because of what Cass had said in a post in a different thread, "What went wrong in Iraq," when he said,


This interested me, so I looked it up and read the speech given by George H. W. Bush when he addressed the Joint Houses of Congress. In it, he was defending the First Gulf War wherein Hussein marched into Kuwait and tried to annex it. During that speech he said,


So I ask again, what does the phrase mean now and what has been put into place--or continued--in order to achieve a new world order as you see it?

Jack has said that the phrase brings up thoughts of "fascism, tyranny and oppression" in his mind. Cass seems to feel fear of elitism. Both men are British. We've had a Chinese man participate in the Forums who has also evidenced a 'fear' of America.

We have the UN Security Council; we have the EU; we have the WTO; we have the Group of Eight--Do any of these organizations have anything to do with a New World Order? These are all trade 'power groups,' and world trade seems to be a part of the new world order.

We also have the US agression in Iraq which has gone from getting rid of Hussein's non-existant NBC weapons to an international war on terrorism, costing thousands of Americans their lives or their limbs and their minds. It may have started as a way of showing Saudi Arabia how the US can retaliate against countries that supply 'terrorists' with aid, as Law maintains--but, if so, why attack Iraq?

The 'Forgotten War' in Afghanistan was supposed to wipe out the Taliban and al Quaida. It's done neither.

Does the New World Order mean that the US will bring peace and democracy to the world no matter what it costs to either itself or other countries--even when it brings war?

And, Cass, could you please reference where either Bill Clinton or Barak Obama has used the phrase 'new world order?'

Interestingly, al Maliki now wants a time-table for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq as a part of his oil-sharing agreement with the US.

Ray--I do not hate America. I do not like the image of America as it is now perceived by outside countries.

I experienced a wonderful birthday of the US on the 4th of July--as did many small towns across the US. Next year, I hope our Towns' vets--from VietNam to Afghanistan/Iraq--will be a recognized part of our birthday celebration. They have given so much.

So, speaking of non-existent nuclear weapons programs do we have any more news on that 500 tons of yellow cake uranium that a joint U.S./Canadian operation has shipped out of Iraq since the invasion?

Unenriched, low-grade uranium that is commonly traded for nuclear power generation. It hardly points to a nuclear weapons program.

Nice try though.