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#273746 - 06/29/08 02:26 AM Re: Constitutional "Coup d'état" [Re: lizbeth]
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Nor am I sure that what was done is an impeachable 'crime,' which is why I asked the question.

I'm not sure if Bush did something that is impeachable either. Though I think there's a far better case against him than there was against Clinton. Clinton lied about infidelity in a scenario that was brought forth by republicans that were trying to railroad his presidency to the tune of over $50 million taxpayers dollars.

Bush just straight out lied about pretty much everything in an attempt to garner support for the war in Iraq.

You decide which is worst.
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#273754 - 06/29/08 05:05 AM Re: Constitutional "Coup d'état" [Re: stone]
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I've already made my personal choice, but you must remember that Clinton 'lied to Congress.' What I call 'the fact' that he was railroaded into that whole mess has little to do with it. According to Trent Lott, Lawmage and Ray, he committed an impeachable offense by that lie.

I think Chief Justice Rehnquist realized just how much of a farce it all was when he added to the theatricality by designing his own robes for the event--occasion--circus--whatever.
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#273777 - 06/29/08 10:19 AM Re: Constitutional "Coup d'état" [Re: lizbeth]
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Stone, Clinton lied under oath during an official investigation...in short, he perjured himself. That is a specific crime defined by a specific statute...I would suggest that makes the case against him a great deal more supportable.

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#273798 - 06/29/08 03:02 PM Re: Constitutional "Coup d'état" [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Stone, Clinton lied under oath during an official investigation...in short, he perjured himself. That is a specific crime defined by a specific statute...I would suggest that makes the case against him a great deal more supportable.


I agree that bringing the charge was entirely within the House's authority, simply because they have essentially unlimited authority to do so under the 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' statement in the Constitution. I would consider it to be a misdemeanor, but not necessarily a High Misdemeanor: i.e, a misdemeanor that significantly harmed--or even potentionally harmed--the State.

It should be noted that there is precedence for using practically any misdemeanor to bring impeachment charges. In all such cases, however, the impeachment charges were not upheld by the Senate.

I can envision circumstances where impeachment charges should be made even though no statute had been violated and should be upheld by the Senate. For instance, if the VP repeatedly appeared before Congress while drunk and using vile language. This would definitely be a high misdemeanor as it would be damaging to the reputation of the country.
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#273847 - 06/29/08 09:25 PM Re: Constitutional "Coup d'état" [Re: Bad Bird]
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If you are the President of the United States, is it worse for the country if you

a. lie under oath about getting a blowjob from an intern? or

b. get the blowjob in the first place?

Sign me,

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