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#262802 - 03/23/08 03:40 PM
Re: China Will Not Forget
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Dax: There is much biblical, architectural and historical evidence to show otherwise. All this evidence you talk of is all lies,and the world now knows this and this is why ant-semetism is rising all over the world. Dax: Koestler may say Russia is the real Jewish homeland, but that doesn't mean it's so. No Dax just because the west says that the Jews homeland is in Israel does not make it so. Great answer.
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#263056 - 03/25/08 11:51 AM
Re: China Will Not Forget
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All the Tibetans want is relative autonomy and to be able to practice their religion without persecution or fear of persecution.
One monk, who survived the Chinese jails and work camps, and eventually escaped to India, stated what his biggest fear was and he answered, "That I would lose my love and compassion of the Chinese." I'd drop over dead if I heard a Palestinian say that.
The Chinese government is still arresting monks, nuns and other practicing Buddhists. They use electric rods and insert them up a monk's anus or into a nun's vagina, then shock them over and over. Young Tibetan women are turning to prostitution as the Chinese living in Tibet won't employ them. The number of homeless Tibetans in Tibet grows daily.
The world rewards China with hosting the Olympics. I don't understand......
But anyone who sees the situation with the Tibetans as the same or very similiar than the ones with the Palestinians, isn't playing with a full deck, IMO.
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#263063 - 03/25/08 01:01 PM
Re: China Will Not Forget
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but it's the militia's there that are causing the trouble the average citizen there (Though they may not like Israel) is willing to try to live with them, Is it really, SPM? Hureea, and others, will tell us the Palestinian peoples of Gaz elected HAMAS to office. They choose HAMAS to represent them in their relationship with Israel and with the West. I would suggest that decision indicates the people of Palestine are NOT in fact willing to live in peace with Israel. On the other hand, Tibet was invaded by China. Its lawful government was forcefully removed and its people subject to abuse and persecution. And yet...the Tibetians have generally been nonviolent in their 59 year struggle for autonomy. Even now, as Sangye relates, a Tibetian monk escaping from Chinese persecution and abuse says his biggest fear was he would lose his love and compassion for the Chinese. It is very, very dangerous to try and equate China and Israel or Tibet and Palestine in any discussion. It runs the risk someone might point out the dissimilarities rather than allow the alleged similarities to stand unchallenged. I am not suggesting that you (SPM) personally think there exists some equivalency but I wanted to broach this topic at the very outset.
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#263083 - 03/25/08 03:06 PM
Re: China Will Not Forget
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SPM,
You do know that Tibet has ceased to exist as an entity since about 1950 right? You do also know it was not economic but military might that was flexed in 1950, right?
See, Tibet WAS a country, just as we are a country. It had its own government and was independent, just like we are. Then China came in and said, "We're going to bring you into the 20th century." Tibet relied, "We're already working on that ourselves." Then China said, "Well, we decided you, Tibet, are really art of China and you will be whether you like it or not."
Kind of like when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Of course Tibet had and has no oil, so nobody really did anything.
Edited by SangyeDolma (03/25/08 03:07 PM)
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