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#267308 - 05/02/08 09:59 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: apaul193]
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Apaul, I think you are confusing the USA with many European countries and Australia. In our countries we do have good social services,basic medical and education services are free.I am not sure this applies to the USA although I am sure there are some social services .

As I explain in another post ,China looks after the aged better than most countries. We do have an old age pension but most of the old are either hidden away in their homes or are put into nursing homes. From what I saw in my last visit to Beijing this is not the case in your country. The old were in the parks dancing and enjoying themselves. I am not sure this aplies to all old people but I do know Chinese respect the old.

Of course everthing is not perfect. As you said
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In China,people,who take part in the social security system,can receive a discount of 70%~80% on the medical care fee,but a lot of people at rural area can hardly join this system,and still many urban citizens have no money left to join this system,and even someone who has joined this system can not afford the remaining 20% medical care fee,especailly when they are subject to a serious disease.The 20% part means a lot of money to them


Those who are very poor or in rural areas can not afford even the 20% needed. In a unversal system like Australia, basic medical services are available to all. However better service can be provided in private hospitals which are only available to the rich.
Also of course theses social services have to be paid by higher taxation than in your country or the USA.


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#267350 - 05/03/08 10:43 AM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: Aint]
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Anit,I didn't mean to be sarcastic.Honestly I know little about your country.
Certainly I know that not everyone in America owe $8000 or $9500 to the credit cards,that's impossible.I pretty well understand what liz said,and I can imagine the fact in America that many people use credit cards as it is the same in other countries.
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#267351 - 05/03/08 11:06 AM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: aus22]
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I'd rather pay higher tax than carry this burden of medical care and education,but China has a large amount of population,our country can not fully pay for everyone's medical care and education.
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#267355 - 05/03/08 11:44 AM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: apaul193]
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 Originally Posted By: apaul193
Anit,I didn't mean to be sarcastic.Honestly I know little about your country.
Certainly I know that not everyone in America owe $8000 or $9500 to the credit cards,that's impossible.I pretty well understand what liz said,and I can imagine the fact in America that many people use credit cards as it is the same in other countries.


I think on average we owe that much to the credit card companies but, because of people like me, some actually owe more than that. I'm just not able to contribute to my share of the credit liability. Sorry, whoever you are.

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#267432 - 05/03/08 11:07 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: Aint]
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 Originally Posted By: Aint
There are several very misleading numbers floating around about the average American's credit card debt. Some who are bad at math say we carry anywhere from $8,000 to $9,500 in credit card debt per household and some say per person, which would double or more the household debt. This number was based on a company who figured it up by taking the total dollar amount they thought was owed to credit cards and dividing it by 80 something million which is the number of households they believe to have credit cards. Their math is flawed and their numbers suspect.

What some dumb asses did with the math was, well, dumb. Not all Americans have credit cards. Not all Americans carry balances (debt) on them from month to month. Not all Americans were used in the math to figure we each had from $8,000 to $9,500 in credit card debt. No one should ever had said the math showed the "average American" owed anything. The math was not applied to the average American. It was applied to how many people or households were believed to have credit cards at that time.



Cy_Click,Are you and Aint both average Americans??
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#267449 - 05/04/08 12:56 AM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: apaul193]
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Registered: 08/08/06
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Maybe he is but I'm not. Just a joke.

Actually the average American is a myth. I'm not sure Aint's answer is the way the numbers came about but saying it is would seem to say the average debtor owes much more than the numbers. Even so, this number wouldn't really seem to be of concern. Unless all the debtors lost thier jobs.

I'm not what I would consider average on any economic measure. But I'm single without children so I've not needed to become average.

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#277711 - 08/05/08 05:26 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: Aint]
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Sitting down watching CNN and what do I see the American cycling team turns up at the Olympics with black masks on.I will be watching with baited breath to see what kind of performance the American cycling team is going to put in.

I ask is the smog that bad that the American cycling team had to turn up wearing blaack masks?Why can't the Americans just say that "we allowed the mask protest to take place,because it's our way of protesting over China's human rights or the lack of it".
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#277717 - 08/05/08 07:33 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: cassielA]
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cassielA: what do I see the American cycling team turns up at the Olympics with black masks on.

Perhaps our cycling team is made up of Muslim women.

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#277720 - 08/05/08 07:43 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: cassielA]
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Originally by: cassielA
Why can't the Americans just say that "we allowed the mask protest to take place,because it's our way of protesting over China's human rights or the lack of it".

I know this is really off the wall, but maybe they were protesting smog. OK, OK. Not very likely, but it was just a thought.
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#277732 - 08/05/08 09:31 PM Re: China Will Not Forget [Re: Ray]
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Cassiel, in Australia there are many cylists wearing masks. Our pollution is not that bad but combine with fog it still hard to breath. I am sure some cylist do the same in the USA. It is also common in SE Asia.

I agree with Ray it may be about smog for protection from it not protresting.
To make sure perhaps it would be better that the masks not be black.

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