Should the U.S. be more involved in Africa?

The U.S. Can Not Walk Away From Africa:

American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Aug. 18, 2006 – The United States walks away from Africa at its own peril, the U.S. general in charge of military operations there said in an interview here yesterday.

Marine Gen. James L. Jones, Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of U.S. European Command, said Africa is a reality that cannot be denied. The continent is potentially an economic giant, and the United States must engage on the continent.

The United States has the opportunity to do the right thing in Africa, Jones said. “It’s an exciting part of the world," he said. “We cannot walk away from Africa for a whole lot of reasons, including moral reasons. It’s an area where we can highlight all of the good things that the United States stands for."

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

The problem with 'engaging' Africa is, one, the level of horror these people readily employ. We would have to go full bore, no PC, shock troop berzerkers on them. We just don't do that. They, though, will 'engage' in machette death.

Two, as the absolutely incredible one says, either way we will be killing "brown and black skinned people". It'd just make us all kinds of racist.

Hello Aint you do make me laugh I like that we might not agree on a lot of things but I like your style.I read these comments and laughed myself.

Marine Gen. James L. Jones, Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of U.S. European Command, said Africa is a reality that cannot be denied. The continent is potentially an economic giant, and the United States must engage on the continent.

It's to late America has had since 1945 to do the right thing in Africa and look at what America has done.It's China's turn you see the deals she is striking around the world and in Afica the latest one being in Negeria,oil everybody needs it.

You know I could go on but all I will say is that we the thinking and aware are looking at the west's interference in the Ivory coast,Sudan,and Somalia.We might be wrong but we do not think that America wants anything good to happen in or to Africa.

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....but we do not think that America wants anything good to happen in or to Africa.

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This is a very sad but seemingly true statement; one which I think will come back to haunt America.

Not just the US but Europe must engage more in Africa and find more ways to help Africans to help themselves. Europe is Africa's neighbor and is being swarmed by people trying to escape that continent. Not only is helping Africa morally necessary, it is also necessary to Europe from a security point of view.

I agree, as I stated in a post elsewhere, uranium from Africa was one of the claims made which took us to war in Iraq. There are resources in Africa which will be exploited to the detriment of both Europe and America, yes it is also a moral issue of human suffering, but I definitely agree that it is also a security issue.

I do not know what to think about American and UN Forces involvement in Somalia. From my outsiders view, it appears as though we pulled out with our tail between our legs. The warlords and militia groups were very hard to contain. But I also feel like Africa, as a continent, bears some responsibility. There is a movement to have a United Africa, similar to a United States or European Union. Although the African Union faces many challenges and are rather weak at implementing agreed upon policies. I think that a United Africa could be much more resourceful in solving its’ own problems; but that is a dream which has yet to materialize.

I may sound a bit slow here but what is it that American is suppose to do for Africa? I thought the US was sending aid to Africa or food or something? I know them poor people need help and we should help if we can, but I thought we were helping. Can you fill me in with some more information about what American is suppose to be doing?

Debt relief would be a good place to start.

The US does give aid to African countries. Billions in our life time alone. But, its not enough. It never will be, not to some. If the US emptied its entire gross worth into the countries of Africa, if all the charities and private companies that make donations to African countries went belly up to give it all, some would say give more, more, more. Maybe next time they get that email from Nigeria, they should send the money.

The US has excused millions, probably billions, of African debt. But you see, someone has called for more, more, more.

Debt relief, plus microloans to individuals and communities. Major loans to African national governments often just increases the wealth of the corrupt. Educational aid also helps. It is not just the US that can or should help, as I mentioned above.

Debt relief to the poorer African countries will help governments some of whom are dictatorships. It still make sense for there is no hope of the loans being repaid. They are bad debts .
However the most useful thing we could do for Africa is trade liberlisation. If the West particarly the EU reduce its tariffs African products could compete on more egual terms. In the end it is only by developing African products that we can lessen poverty in the continent.
We should also help with UN peace keeping forces in Sudan and the Congo to prevent another genocide.

By debt relief I do mean total debt forgiveness in some cases.

Indeed African producers need markets to sell to if they wish to have a thriving economy. The US and the EU will move slowly on these issues though out of a sense of self interest and because of opposition from home producers.

It's agricultural subsidy that needs to be cut whether EU US or Japanese.

At least the military will be more focused on Africa!

On another point, South African businesses are expanding throughout Africa and have good knowledge and understanding of the local similar markets, they are well placed to reap the benefits of the opportunities available.

Myrddin said,By debt relief I do mean total debt forgiveness in some cases.

We have to get away from comments like this I now you mean well.The plan for Africa has been a long to time in the planning.The west made a lot of money from oil in the 70's then turn into international loan sharks who then lent the money to evil leaders in Africa who then sent the money back into western bank accounts,true or lie?Many of these evil leaders in africa were put there by the west like Idi Amin.We the thinking and aware knee-grows know that the the condition Africa finds itself in today did not happen by accident,it happened by design.

The holocaust that started in Africa in 14th centuary has cost the lives of 100 million black Africans at a conservative estimate and no reperations and the west still feels it has a role to play in Africa on what grounds?Oh never mind we read the bible gen 15/13.

As I am writing this CNN has just reported that the UN has passed a resoultion that will now send UN peacekeepers to Sudan.The Sudanese goverment says it will fight this by all means.Look how quickly a resoultion is passed when America and England want it to pass,but that's ok we are well aware of tricknology today.

Chad a country next door to Sudan has just booted out an American oil company called cheveron and I expect to see more countrys do exactly the same thing in the future,blood sucking the African continent has to stop.We fully expect civil wars to break out in some African countrys and the house knee-grow country that help blood suck the poor and send the money back to the west to be overthrown.Oh by the way when you see certain black countrys acting like Israel did in Lebaban and go on a wrecking spree rooting out the house knee-grows don't come crying to us the example has been been shown to them how to get away with mass murder all in the name of self defense and the national self interest.

Another reason that the west and America might be in trouble in the future is that they are trying by any means necessary to make black Africa go against its nature and accept homosexuality.

Today I read that a homosexual conference in Ghana was cancelled to say that the goverment of Ghana was miffed is an understatement and a half.

A goverment minister said,Homosexuality is illegal in Ghana he went onto say that "the Government does not condone any such activity which violently offends the culture, morality and heritage of the entire people of Ghana,".He was talking for 97% of the black race.He continued by saying "Unnatural carnal knowledge is illegal under our criminal code. Homosexuality, lesbianism and bestiality are therefore offences under the laws of Ghana".

It's not right when the west says that we will only give you aid if you change your laws making homosexuality acceptable.

Hello Aint country continent it does not really matter,the west knew what it was doing when it apparently left Africa in a patch work of countrys they knew would fight agaist each other,and they were right.

The wicked plan for Africa is in full effect.When Nelson Mandela was in prison can anybody show me any articles that said there was an Aids epidemic about to hit South Africa.As soon as the South Africans thought that they had gained freedom hey presto as if by magic the country is plauged by Aids.

There is an artical somewhere I will try and find it where a militaryman said that the west would sone create biological weaponds to deal with third world.That was said I think in the late 70's.

Nelson Mandela was released from prison in 1990. The first ever case of AIDS was declared in the US. That was in 1981, nine years before Mandelas release. Also in the 1980s, again, before Mandelas release, was the conclusion that in 1959, beofore Mandela was even imprisioned, that the first death from AIDS in the world was when a Bantu man died in the Belgian Congo.

As for why no one predicted AIDS in Africa, crystal balls are not part of legitimate medical pratice.

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It's not right when the west says that we will only give you aid if you change your laws making homosexuality acceptable.

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Where did you get this information? Please show me I want to know.

Hello Poett you asked,Where did you get this information? Please show me I want to know.

I read that a while back on the BBC website at work,but I found this.Now if this true then to me it would be possible for the American goverment to continue their experiments in Africa.Lets not forget that the red cross was found out recently to have infected people with Aids but they said it was an accident.They would say that wouldn't they.

The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. . . . clearly racist.
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997



For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,”1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all. The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

Using Human Beings as Laboratory Animals

The true nature of the experiment had to be kept from the subjects to ensure their cooperation. The sharecroppers' grossly disadvantaged lot in life made them easy to manipulate. Pleased at the prospect of free medical care—almost none of them had ever seen a doctor before—these unsophisticated and trusting men became the pawns in what James Jones, author of the excellent history on the subject, Bad Blood, identified as “the longest nontherapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.”

Now Aint I have some friends around and I am showing them how it some times works here on foolmoon.People breeze over 80% of my post nit picking about if Africa is a country or continent without replying to the relevant points of my post.I just explained to them that when anybody does that I smile because that must mean that you Aint agree with post really.

I mean Aint let me ask you straight out do you think that the west/America being the main culprit blood sucks the god given reasources out of Africa at unfair terms or rates?Your go Aint.

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Debt relief would be a good place to start.

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Can we do debt relief for our own citizens at the same time stone?

Well cassie, I missed how exactly the United States is responsible for the rabbit like nature of the sexual activities spreading disease in Africa?

Maybe I missed whatever it was you ment to say,lol...

You know, Cass, there are great riches and treasure in Africa, which would naturally be of value and of interest to non-African countries.

I think you can agree with me that the above paragraph is true. And then, I think you will agree with me again when I say that the best way for non-Africans to obtain all of this wealth is to kill every single human being alive on the African continent by infesting them with AIDS (SIDA for our Spanish readers) and then simply walking in and taking the continent.

Of course they might fly in or come in by ship, the method of transportation is irrelevant. The point is, every person in Africa will be dead of AIDS.

Nothing to it. True or lie?

But on the other hand, Cass, I see some problems in that.

Like, if people were travelling they'd spreads AIDS to the rest of the world, so you'd have to keep everyone from travelling. Everyone.

And who would you get to guard them? Who is going to want to go work in a country where everybody has AIDS?

And what do we do with these missionaries, and do-gooders, and doctors without borders, who somehow get in there and smuggle their cures and medicines?

I think I have a solution, at least the start of one. The Kimberly Diamond Mining Company has enough diamonds in its vaults to last several lifetimes. Every crummy jewelry store in every single city and town in the United States, Canada, and every other country sells diamonds. How scarce or rare could they be? So we don't need any more diamonds, so we start closing Africa by shutting down South Africa and Rhodesia or Botswana or whatever they are choosing to call themselves now.

Instead of infesting everyone with AIDS, we take the population and put them to work answering computer questions for large companies, like they do in India. Problem solved. Nobody co-opted. Living wage in South Africa. The only people getting screwed are the Americans. Are you with me? I'll bet you are!

Matt said,
Well cassie, I missed how exactly the United States is responsible for the rabbit like nature of the sexual activities spreading disease in Africa?

Black Africans and other races have been rabbit like for hundreads of years with some disease then your forfarthers came to them with their diseases and wiped millions off the face of the earth true or lie?I have asked this question before why is it in America you have a disease controll centre and not a disease irradiction centre?We know why for the new world order to come into being 75% of the human race has to die,but does the wicked do that?

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Thats Matt taken care of.Now for Dax Mr cool himself he said,
I think you will agree with me again when I say that the best way for non-Africans to obtain all of this wealth is to kill every single human being alive on the African continent.

To be fair some of us think that plan has been in operation for decades as I ask all the numptys who keep talking up the wests achievments in Africa.I say to them show me one place in Africa that the west can hold up and say look what we have done there.There are some on the African continent who also believe that the west means them no good that's why Putin is in African signing deals trying to catch up with the Chinese.

Africa will do deals with Russia and China if they promise real investment.China can have all the oil she wants if she buils up the continent building up the infastructure like China has built for herself in the last 25 years.I don't see any role for the west in the future I and others think it's to late for that,Africa has to look forwards.

I think that the major problem with AIDS in Africa is education, or more correctly ignorance. Many black African males believe that they can get rid of AIDS by having sex with a virgin. And as Dax has pointed out, AIDS in Africa will/has spread to the rest of the world. Africa does have great riches, which are being exploited, instead of being harnessed for that continents development.

South Africa has made a major turn around, as have some of the other African countries, but much of Africa, Sudan, Congo, etc. is run by tyrannical dictators and warlords. Personally, I would like to see the U.S. setup and African Military Command, as discribed in the previous weblink.

So they run around with multiple wives making multiple babies with each wife while they are infected with aids and its our fault?

Tell ya what Cassie, lets take over the United States Mint and blame it on Neil Armstrong for walking on the moon.

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CassielA: show me one place in Africa that the west can hold up and say look what we have done there.

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Show me one place in Africa where Africans can say that.

I wrote what I thought was a good response to your post Dax but the computer did not see it that way and lost the post,I am miffed.

Dax said,Show me one place in Africa where Africans can say that.

All I will say is if anybody looks at Africa since 1945 and looks at what happened in countrys like the Congo you had an elected goverment that was overthrown by house negro's supported by the west,thats one of the reasons why Africans cannot do what you asked.

This is why the Chinese and the Russians are being allowed to sign new deals in Africa they can have as much of the wealth of Africa as they want all they have to do is help build up the continent and deal with Africa fairly somthing the west has shown itself incapable of doing,true or lie?