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#194756 - 08/30/06 06:56 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: Aint]
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Debt relief, plus microloans to individuals and communities. Major loans to African national governments often just increases the wealth of the corrupt. Educational aid also helps. It is not just the US that can or should help, as I mentioned above.
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#194757 - 08/30/06 09:15 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: Myrddin]
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Debt relief to the poorer African countries will help governments some of whom are dictatorships. It still make sense for there is no hope of the loans being repaid. They are bad debts .
However the most useful thing we could do for Africa is trade liberlisation. If the West particarly the EU reduce its tariffs African products could compete on more egual terms. In the end it is only by developing African products that we can lessen poverty in the continent.
We should also help with UN peace keeping forces in Sudan and the Congo to prevent another genocide.

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#194758 - 08/30/06 09:24 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: aus22]
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By debt relief I do mean total debt forgiveness in some cases.

Indeed African producers need markets to sell to if they wish to have a thriving economy. The US and the EU will move slowly on these issues though out of a sense of self interest and because of opposition from home producers.
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#194759 - 08/31/06 05:41 AM Re: US-Africa Policy the military bit... [Re: aus22]
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It's agricultural subsidy that needs to be cut whether EU US or Japanese.

At least the military will be more focused on Africa!

On another point, South African businesses are expanding throughout Africa and have good knowledge and understanding of the local similar markets, they are well placed to reap the benefits of the opportunities available.
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#194760 - 09/01/06 04:40 AM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: Myrddin]
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Myrddin said,By debt relief I do mean total debt forgiveness in some cases.

We have to get away from comments like this I now you mean well.The plan for Africa has been a long to time in the planning.The west made a lot of money from oil in the 70's then turn into international loan sharks who then lent the money to evil leaders in Africa who then sent the money back into western bank accounts,true or lie?Many of these evil leaders in africa were put there by the west like Idi Amin.We the thinking and aware knee-grows know that the the condition Africa finds itself in today did not happen by accident,it happened by design.

The holocaust that started in Africa in 14th centuary has cost the lives of 100 million black Africans at a conservative estimate and no reperations and the west still feels it has a role to play in Africa on what grounds?Oh never mind we read the bible gen 15/13.

As I am writing this CNN has just reported that the UN has passed a resoultion that will now send UN peacekeepers to Sudan.The Sudanese goverment says it will fight this by all means.Look how quickly a resoultion is passed when America and England want it to pass,but that's ok we are well aware of tricknology today.

Chad a country next door to Sudan has just booted out an American oil company called cheveron and I expect to see more countrys do exactly the same thing in the future,blood sucking the African continent has to stop.We fully expect civil wars to break out in some African countrys and the house knee-grow country that help blood suck the poor and send the money back to the west to be overthrown.Oh by the way when you see certain black countrys acting like Israel did in Lebaban and go on a wrecking spree rooting out the house knee-grows don't come crying to us the example has been been shown to them how to get away with mass murder all in the name of self defense and the national self interest.
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#194761 - 09/02/06 01:43 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: cassielA]
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Cass: Chad a country next door to Sudan...




Brilliant! Africa is comprised of countries. Africa is a continent. A very diverse continent at that. Egypt is not Botswana is not Congo. The notion of an 'African policy' is too broad to really mean anything. No one could engage the continent as a whole. The continent of Africa doesnt even work that way inside itself.
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#194762 - 09/02/06 02:18 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: cassielA]
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Another reason that the west and America might be in trouble in the future is that they are trying by any means necessary to make black Africa go against its nature and accept homosexuality.

Today I read that a homosexual conference in Ghana was cancelled to say that the goverment of Ghana was miffed is an understatement and a half.

A goverment minister said,Homosexuality is illegal in Ghana he went onto say that "the Government does not condone any such activity which violently offends the culture, morality and heritage of the entire people of Ghana,".He was talking for 97% of the black race.He continued by saying "Unnatural carnal knowledge is illegal under our criminal code. Homosexuality, lesbianism and bestiality are therefore offences under the laws of Ghana".

It's not right when the west says that we will only give you aid if you change your laws making homosexuality acceptable.
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#194763 - 09/02/06 02:34 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: Aint]
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Hello Aint country continent it does not really matter,the west knew what it was doing when it apparently left Africa in a patch work of countrys they knew would fight agaist each other,and they were right.

The wicked plan for Africa is in full effect.When Nelson Mandela was in prison can anybody show me any articles that said there was an Aids epidemic about to hit South Africa.As soon as the South Africans thought that they had gained freedom hey presto as if by magic the country is plauged by Aids.

There is an artical somewhere I will try and find it where a militaryman said that the west would sone create biological weaponds to deal with third world.That was said I think in the late 70's.
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#194764 - 09/02/06 03:17 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: cassielA]
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Nelson Mandela was released from prison in 1990. The first ever case of AIDS was declared in the US. That was in 1981, nine years before Mandelas release. Also in the 1980s, again, before Mandelas release, was the conclusion that in 1959, beofore Mandela was even imprisioned, that the first death from AIDS in the world was when a Bantu man died in the Belgian Congo.

As for why no one predicted AIDS in Africa, crystal balls are not part of legitimate medical pratice.
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#194765 - 09/02/06 03:51 PM Re: US-Africa Policy [Re: cassielA]
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It's not right when the west says that we will only give you aid if you change your laws making homosexuality acceptable.





Where did you get this information? Please show me I want to know.
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