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#154761 - 09/27/05 09:54 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Helice]
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I know this doesn't exactly flow with the current placement of this thread, but this story could be construed as someone 'Damcing on the Graves of the Dead'.

I figured Ray and a few others would like this one.

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Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest
By Jennifer C. Kerr, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 26,11:40 PM ET

Cindy Sheehan, the California mother who became a leader of the anti-war movement after her son died in Iraq, was arrested Monday along with hundreds of others protesting outside the White House.

Sheehan, carrying a photo of her son in his Army uniform, rallied with other protesters in a park across the street from the White House and then marched to the gate of the executive mansion to request a meeting with President Bush.

The protesters later sat down on the pedestrian walkway in front of the White House — knowing they would be arrested — and began singing and chanting "Stop the war now!"

Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests. One man climbed over the White House fence and was quickly subdued by Secret Service agents.

Sheehan, 48, was the first taken into custody. She smiled as she was carried to the curb, then stood up and walked to a police vehicle as protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching."



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#154762 - 09/27/05 11:34 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Dax]
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Dax, apology unnecessary, but accepted.

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#154763 - 09/27/05 11:38 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead
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Deek,

Am I missing something...? Because I can't see anything in there that would relate to "Dancing on Graves", and I honestly can't see why Ray or anyone else would especially "enjoy" the story.

Surely you know that the purpose of such peaceful protest is to be photographed while being arrested so that the media will project your message for you. Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me. (shrug)

Were *you* especially pleased that Cindy Sheehan was arrested for sitting on the pedestrian walkway...? Why?
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#154764 - 09/27/05 12:12 PM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Helice]
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Allow me, Deek...

One could make an argument that Cindy Sheehan is "dancing on the graves of the dead" in the current war in Iraq, to include the grave of her son. She is using the sacrifice he made as a dance floor on which she can display her own political agenda and the political agenda of the whacko lunatic fringe of the liberal left to which she has prostituted herself and her dead son...Perhaps it is the fact that Cindy Sheehan and her escapades further demonstrate the disconnect plaguing the whacko lunatic fringe of the liberal left that Deek anticipates Ray might enjoy?

Cindy Sheehan's goal is almost certainly to get herself arrested amidst a media circus so that her "message" can be broadcast...Its just such a pity that her message is all about her and her anger and her political agenda and not about the son upon whose grave she dances with such glee.
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#154765 - 09/27/05 12:25 PM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Lawmage]
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"prostituted herself and her dead son"? Isn't that a little harsh, Lawmage?

Is your opinion that she really has no grief for the loss of her son, and is perhaps happy that he died in Iraq so that she has an "excuse" to protest it, thereby being "whacko"?

That sounds like an extreme position to me... I won't call *you* "whacko" for claiming a mother is happy her boy died in war so that she can dance on his grave, but I will opine that your support of the war and the administration is so strong, perhaps unreasonably strong, that to you any dissenting voice seems like traitorous "whining", bleating", "moaning", "dancing", etc.

If you set aside partisanship for just a moment, doesn't that position seem a little unreasonable, if not uncharitable?
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#154766 - 09/27/05 12:53 PM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Helice]
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Actually, Helice, I do believe Cindy Sheehan is glad she has a hook with which she can publicize her anti-war agenda. I would not go so far as to say that she lacks any real grief over her son's death but I do not think that real grief and political opportunism are not mutually exclusive. In Sheehan's case, I think her political opportunism is pretty clear to those who can set aside their hatred for Bush and actually examine her behavior with an objective eye for a moment.

Now, as for the rest of your response...Helice, I think you know full well I am not happy with Mssrs Bush and Cheney and Rumsfield et al...My dissatisfaction with the administration grows stronger every day. I have not kept that dissatisfaction secret. Likewise, my personal opinion about the war is no secret. I have said since I got here to Fool Moon that I did not think the occupation of Iraq was wise or necessary. I supported the initial invasion, and still do. I think the removal of Saddam was the right thing to do and I think the only way to remove him was to use military force. I do not accept your contention that my "support of the war and the administration is so strong, perhaps unreasonably strong, that to [me] any dissenting voice seems like traitorous "whining", bleating", "moaning", "dancing", etc." I have rejected what I see as unfair or untrue accusations against the administration and about the war. That does not equate to support for the current conduct of the war nor for the administration. What it equates to is an interest in the truth and a rejection of untruths advanced for partisan purposes. I think you, and perhaps several other regular members, are intelligent and insightful enough to look at what I have actually said in any number of 3947 posts I have made to date and see what I really think of Bush, the rest of the administration, and the war in Iraq...and a host of other issues.
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#154767 - 09/27/05 01:06 PM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Lawmage]
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Perhaps it is the fact that Cindy Sheehan and her escapades further demonstrate the disconnect plaguing the whacko lunatic fringe of the liberal left that Deek anticipates Ray might enjoy?



Oh trust me. I have been enjoying it. But...BUT...this is supposed to be a humor forum. Remember, the original reason this part of the "Dancing" thread was broken off and moved here was because of a sudden injection of humorous song parody. So in keeping with the humor aspect we might mention that media whore concerned mother Cindy Sheehan NOW has her own song, curtesy of our good buddy Rush Limbaugh.

I don't know how long this public link will be valid, but we can enjoy this blast from the past for now, with apologies to The Association.


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#154768 - 09/28/05 01:50 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Ray]
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Helice, I feel sorrow and pity for this woman who has lost her son. I, too, have lost people I cared about in this war. I find it humorous that she continues to find ways to keep herself in the spotlight of the media. We know how she feels about the war. Many of us are not happy with the direction it is heading or even how it has been. Polls on the public reflect that. But she seems to take a certain glee in playing a victim. I don't think it's right. In my own opinion, I find her antics quite humorous. After reading Ray's posts from various threads, I thought he would find this situation humorous as well.

Let me make this clear. I do not think the war in Iraq was ever a good idea. I hoped and prayed when Bush was elected into office in 2000 that we would not return to Iraq. I would love to see our troops come home soon. I tend to have more Liberal views than Conservative. But I cannot stand watching people playing a victim and the stupidity of their antics. To me, she ranks in my ire along with the robber who fell through the skylight of the house he was robbing, landed on a knife and successfully sued the owners of the house.

Lawmage, your initial post after my previous one sums up my reasoning quite well. Thank you.

I posted that article because I found humor in it. I thought this is what this thread was for. Opps, my bad. I never meant for it to turn serious.

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#154769 - 09/28/05 02:10 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead
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Deek, its the curse of the Town Dump....Humorous things ALWAYS turn serious here and things meant to be SERIOUS inevitably attract jokes, humor, and antics...It just seems to be the way things work here.
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#154770 - 09/28/05 10:40 AM Re: Dancing on the Graves of the Dead [Re: Lawmage]
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I have rejected what I see as unfair or untrue accusations against the administration and about the war.



What accusations did Cindy Sheehan make about the administration and about the Iraq war that are demonstrably untrue?

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