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#145220 - 06/30/05 02:59 AM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Lawmage]
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Watching Bloomberg ironing my shirt reading a post or two then you make me chuckle with this Lawmage,
Where do you guys get this stuff...?

Back to you later sir.
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#145221 - 06/30/05 10:12 AM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: cassielA]
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LM, your insisting on using facts figures and logic, only throws a wrench into things.

Please refrain from using said facts, and go back to some 'end of the world' scenarios. Not reasonable, but more fun.

.. but smoke some pot first. Then you'll know 'where they get this stuff'

Thank you ..
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#145222 - 06/30/05 01:18 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Bff]
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[pointless personal attack and annoying emoticon removed...the Moderator]


Edited by Lawmage (06/30/05 11:55 PM)

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#145223 - 06/30/05 02:11 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Dax]
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I thank you for your reply but you still havent told me how Iraq is like Vietnam. You tired to discredit my points but have offered none of your own.

Ill give you hand. Iraq is like Vietnam because...

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Dax: The capture of Saddam is meaningless in this context, since he, like Vietnam, was not a direct threat to the United States.




If Saddam were still in his palace, standing on a balcony giving speaches, he would so be a threat to the US troops on the ground. He would still be coordinating his armys against us. We took that away from him. It is very meaningfull, especialy in this context.
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#145224 - 07/02/05 12:08 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Lawmage]
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Lawmage i am hearing on the news that this new leader in Iraq was involed in the America hostages been held in Iran in 1980.If this is proved to be true what do you think America will do about this?
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#145225 - 07/02/05 12:43 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: cassielA]
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Lawmage i am hearing on the news that this new leader in Iraq was involed in the America hostages been held in Iran in 1980.If this is proved to be true what do you think America will do about this?



I'm sure Law will have some good ideas about this, I think if it turns out to be true (or, come to think of it, even if it doesn't) the current administration will use it for the fullest propaganda purposes.

True or not, there isn't very much the US can do about it other than talk. Our leaders have already labelled Iran one of the "axis of evil" so there isn't much Iran can do to make it worse. Once you're at axis of evil, there's really no place to go.

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#145226 - 07/02/05 02:23 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Dax]
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Indeed, there is little the US can or should do...Arafat was a terrorist but the US accepted, to a degree, that he was the leader of the Palestinians and worked with him...The new Iranian leader is not going to be much different. Besides, the Iranians have a long history of supporting terrorism and terrorists, what difference does it make if a "former" terrorist is in office?
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#145227 - 07/02/05 04:05 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Lawmage]
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'Post deleted by Biff, due to his many references to 'you know who'

Sorry Dax, almost went bust ...
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#145228 - 07/02/05 06:21 PM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Lawmage]
cassielA Offline
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Lawmage said this,
Besides,the Iranians have a long history of supporting terrorism and terrorists, what difference does it make if a "former" terrorist is in office?

So i take it you believe that America does not have a history of supporting terrorism and terrorists,still suffering from selective amnessia i see.

P.S.Has America handed over that suspect to the Venezuelian goverment,thought not.What is America going to do when this country decides to restrict the oil to America because it believes that America supports terrorism and terrorists.I know what i will be doing and that's "shorting the dow" if i hear that news.
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#145229 - 07/03/05 09:33 AM Re: Iran Elects a War Leader [Re: Aint]
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Registered: 08/01/99
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I thank you for your reply but you still havent told me how Iraq is like Vietnam. You tired to discredit my points but have offered none of your own.



Then I'll repeat the post you missed.

"The reasons why Iraq IS like Vietnam are much less stretched.

"We're in a war that began with a lie, that is almost impossible to win without just killing everyone in the country, and that people are coming to resent more and more. I wish this had happened before Bush's second term, because then there would not have been a second term, but even people slow to wake up eventually smell the coffee."

On the day of Bush's axis of evil speech, we were in Afghanistan, and properly so, since that's where the the attack on the WTC originated. I have always believed it was proper to send troops there.

But since then we've heard nothing much about Afghanistan and everything about Iraq, as though Iraq were a prime mover in the WTC attack and the financing of the terrorists. As though Osama bin Laden did not exist.

If you want to say that Iraq is a threat to the US today, then I'll agree, since everyone in the world who even slightly disliked or was envious of America now has the opening to show contempt for us. Bush doesn't care. Don't like him? He'll eat some worms. That's the grammar school mentality he offers as he follows the instructions of the Wolfowitz-Perl-Rumsfeld-Cheney-Rove cabal.

Is Iraq a danger to us now? Probably. Was in then? Not a chance. No WMDs, no plans to do anything to the US were ever found. And don't you think if they found one tiny scrap of paper in Saddam's hand that said "I dislike the USA" it would be broadcast and trumpeted and enlarged and shoved down our throats by the conservative press for weeks? O'Reilly still would be talking about it, and Hannity would have it tattooed on his adorable forehead.

Sorry Ain't. It's Viet Nam without the massive casualties, with only "acceptable" losses. It's worth it, those lives and limbs lost in Iraq, isn't it? Because we all feel so much safer now.

I have no particular reason to suggest these similarities, because the war in Iraq was wrongheaded even if Vietnam had never happened.

But the similarities are obvious, and ignored at your peril.

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