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#109169 - 08/12/04 05:53 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: cassielA]
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Africa is gearing up for the comeing of the third world war and any black country or peoples that are percieved to be house negros and are on the wrong side are going to be dealt with i understand that don't you?




Wanna run that by me again Cassie?

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Whats so special about this murder and rape in Sudan.Why is this crisis being blown up like this in the western press is it because there is oil there?




Blown out of prepoortion by the Western Media? I'm sorry, but I didn't realise the International Red Cross et al were media outlets.

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The sudanese goverment should tell the American goverment to go and suck somethig soft when it comes to sactions,we saw Micheal Moores film nobody should ever listen to anything that the American senate has to say when it comes to doing the right thing.




Cassie, the American Government isn't telling the Sudanese Government to do anything. The United Nations are. You know, the United Nations who you jumped up and down about America ignoring? Now, why is it OK for Sudan to ignore the U.N, but not America?

The fact of the matter is, people in Dar Fur are dying in their thousands. The Sudanese Government couldn't care less. But of course, that's OK isn't it Cassie? Afterall, African governments can do whatever the hell they like, and it's OK by you.
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#109170 - 08/12/04 05:58 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: Selene]
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Genocide is taking place, and the UN thinks sanctions is the answer to solve the problem.




Not everyone agrees....

BBC ^ | July 8, 2004
France opposes UN Sudan sanctions. France says it does not support US plans for international sanctions on Sudan if violence continues in Darfur.

Swissinfo ^ | August 10 2004 | Marcin Grajewski/Reuters
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union has said it has found no evidence of genocide in the Sudanese region of Darfur, although killing is widespread, with little evidence of government efforts to protect civilians. The conclusion of a fact-finding mission put the EU at odds with the U.S. Congress, which has levelled accusations of genocide at Sudan. . . .

The U.N. Commission on Human Rights in Geneva (remember that the US was kicked off this commission), having recently adjourned, debated what to do about Sudan and Darfur [however] the U.N team's damning report was suppressed..
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/genocide_in_sudan/

Yemen Times^August 12, 2004
After an emergency meeting of Arab Foreign Ministers last Sunday, the Arab League said it opposes sanctions against Sudan that might be implemented by the United Nations.



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IndoLink^New York, August 7 (NNN) :
The United Nations and Sudan have signed a deal as per which the latter will take "detailed steps" in the next 30 days to disarm the militias responsible for attacks in Darfur and improve security for the internally displaced persons (IDPs).

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The only problem with the agreement is that it cannot be implemented until the Sudanese parliament approves it----and apparently, there are no penalties if the 30 day period (whenever it begins) is not fulfilled.
Actually, 30 days is a very short time when it comes to government actions so my personal opinion is that the agreement was designed to fail while appeasing those who do not find it economically feasible to agree to sanctions--good for at least 30 days --perhaps even longer, depending on the Sudanese parliament.

And, when nothing changes, I guess the USA will get blamed for not taking independent action...We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

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#109171 - 08/12/04 06:11 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: shedoni]
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quote: Originally posted by Shedoni:
The U.N. Commission on Human Rights in Geneva (remember that the US was kicked off this commission), having that recently adjourned debated what to do about Sudan and Darfur [however] the U.N team?s damning report was suppressed



quote: Originally posted by Shedoni:
France opposes UN Sudan sanctions. France says it does not support US plans for international sanctions on Sudan if violence continues in Darfur.



OK, everybody; let's just back up a bit. You remember which country replaced the United States on the UN's Human Rights Commission? Go ahead, guess. OK...I'll tell you. it was SUDAN!

Bonus Question: What country (among others) was responsible for the "coup" that replaced the United States with Sudan in the UN's HRC? Go ahead...guess. Guess!! OK...I'll tell you. FRANCE!

When are the One World nambie-pambies get it through their heads that the United Nations is worthless...totally WORTHLESS?

When are WE Americans going to stand up and admit that France is NOT our ally. At least, not in the sense that we say Britain is our ally. More like we say Saudi Arabia is our ally. (as in "Just leave the soap lying on the floor and walk away.")

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#109172 - 08/13/04 07:20 AM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: Ray]
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Well I can't understand France’s attitude in this; if not sanctions then there needs to be a lot of peacekeepers brought in, actually you need more than peacekeepers, you need to tell the troops to separate the two sides and take actions to prevent conflict. Sanctions are the least that should be done and perhaps it won't work considering the long history of aggression of the Arab Sudanese against their non-Muslim Sudanese neighbours. I would like to hear the French reasoning against sanctions.

Do I agree with the EU's finding of there not being genocide? Partly; it has not reached the levels of killings in Rwanda a decade ago, but do we want it to reach that level? Do we not want Sudan to know of the international community’s displeasure? But I know the EU at the same time is pushing for sanctions against Sudan so nobody can accuse the EU of being under French control on this.
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#109173 - 08/13/04 05:06 PM Re: Crisis In Sudan. [Re: Dax]
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Dax the cool said,Cass, you must avoid giving the perception that your political philosophy and insight is based on a movie.

What gives you that impression pray tell.
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